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The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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Why is this flagged ??

Because large part of HN users prefer to live in denial about facts they don't like. It's also fact there are brigades and bots operating on HN and NGAF.

"Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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post #404

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So I see the term fascist being thrown around against conservatives frequently on sites like Reddit and I just chalk it up to people on sites like that not really knowing what the term means. HN to me is different. I fully expect people to understand and mean what they say here. So I'd like to know from a fellow HNer what exactly do you mean by calling "these" people fascists and who exactly are these fascists? Do yo…

There are literal fascists within the alt-right, and the conservatives as a whole have failed to distance themselves sufficiently from them. “If there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.” Nick Fuentes is a fascist. He has complimented Hitler and Putin - even saying the media comparing Putin to Hitler “as if that wasn't a good thing.” He holds a variet…

> “If there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.”

Wow, this Nazism stuff is super contagious! I shudder to think that most of the world has caught it by now.

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The problem is that for a lot of people “hate and crazy” is a euphemism for “political ideas I disagree with”. This isn’t new or original. Anyone can classify their political opponents as crazy, dumb, misguided, “hateful” is the new one, ignorant, *ist. I think a healthier framing is, people who disagree with me politically have their reasons for doing so and the best for everyone is if we have a dialog.

I think the problem is that you can't accept that twitter users don't want to engage with your bs, and that lead to twitter shadow banning it.

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The problem is that for a lot of people “hate and crazy” is a euphemism for “political ideas I disagree with”. This isn’t new or original. Anyone can classify their political opponents as crazy, dumb, misguided, “hateful” is the new one, ignorant, *ist. I think a healthier framing is, people who disagree with me politically have their reasons for doing so and the best for everyone is if we have a dialog.

I think the problem is that you can't accept that twitter users don't want to engage with your bs, and that lead to twitter shadow banning it.

They banned political speech they disagreed with, and it sounds like you're happy they did.

> your bs

I have no dog in the fight.

> twitter users don't want to engage with

The country, however, is pretty evenly divided along ideological lines so there is no homogeneous "twitter users" group.

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>two established journalists have been given comprehensive access to internal files and are documenting what they have found, while putting their discoveries in context. Ahhh yes, posting tweets on Twitter is "putting their discoveries in context". Normally journalists provide context by writing in depth articles after they have formed all their thoughts.... and maybe even have it reviewed by an editor. >And who's sa…

Given Elon's recent behavior, is it reasonable to worry that, after answering in the affirmative, no additional information will be forthcoming? Or is this a bad faith criticism?

Yes, it is reasonable to worry that no additional information will be forthcoming... Elon has a habit of lying. Is that a controversial statement?

Is Elon's true motivations to shine sunlight at the old twitter or is it to put on another dog and pony show? Because he is failing at the former and not even trying to disguide the latter. I am interested in understanding more about twitter's past and most importantly CURRENT policies. Ideally in a more neutral tone. Elon's stated new policies seem pretty familiar with the old ones. With the one difference I am currently seeing is that sometime in the future, one might be able to see if their account is being "shadowbanned" or not.

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post #425

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From your link "Estimated mRNA vaccine effectiveness for prevention of infection, adjusted for study site, was 90% for full immunization" Does 90% equal 100% now? Her statement was false, even based on the limited data set you're referencing. It's even more false now.

People sometimes speak in hyperbole as a point of emphasis. Behold, humanity.

If we can now expect the leading health experts in the world to be potentially speaking in hyperbole, then we can't expect the public to trust what they say to be accurate.

That's a problem.

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Given Elon's recent behavior, is it reasonable to worry that, after answering in the affirmative, no additional information will be forthcoming? Or is this a bad faith criticism?

Yes, it is reasonable to worry that no additional information will be forthcoming... Elon has a habit of lying. Is that a controversial statement? Is Elon's true motivations to shine sunlight at the old twitter or is it to put on another dog and pony show? Because he is failing at the former and not even trying to disguide the latter. I am interested in understanding more about twitter's past and most importantly CUR…

Elon's given unprecedented access to journalists, and is considering releasing all that information to the public, but you're worried that he's going to remain secretive regarding a topic that he voluntarily decided to tease? Elon, whom you characterize as running a dog and pony show, is going to miss another opportunity for drama?

No, sorry, but there's no way I can see how that stance is reasonable.

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post #468

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People sometimes speak in hyperbole as a point of emphasis. Behold, humanity.

If we can now expect the leading health experts in the world to be potentially speaking in hyperbole, then we can't expect the public to trust what they say to be accurate. That's a problem.

If you take someone casually rounding up from 90% to 100% as a deep reason for concern, I have some bad news for you regarding weather forecasts.
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