I don’t want to be an internet person • Hacker News Board

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by kelipso » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 3:02 PM UTC

lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #160

joemazerino wrote: post #70

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But when? The internet is much more dangerous now than it was in the late 90s.

I'm not entirely sure I agree. I mean, maybe I do. I think one could argue that the internet is a lot more moderated in this day and age, but maybe you were referring more to the addictive and destructive effects of social media. Do you care to elaborate?

It's so incredibly easy these days to go down some internet rabbit hole and end up with some extreme beliefs.

The popular thing on the news is of course grampa going right wing into facebook rabbit holes or whatever but that's just one example. Teens going left/right going down whatever rabbit holes, eating disorders, other political beliefs, body issues, need I go on. Your kid ends up in some discord group of strangers and sorry but you can pretty much forget about getting him or her back to reality. It's all the same mechanism.

Sure there are nice things too like hobbies but the internet is filled with the freaks and weirdos. They have nowhere else to go to. Why put your child in a pit with them?

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 4:10 PM UTC

mikeyouse wrote: post #244

rhacker wrote: post #180

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Head higher up North. There's still some right leaning stuff, which for some reason SF newspapers like to call Far-right extremism. But when you're actually here, it's probably exactly like your rural rifle-range town.

Then again, some of the leadership of those towns are so far gone that they take obviously nonsense Facebook posts, have their sheriff hold press conferences lying that they've verified the posts, and then expend a ton of time/money/energy looking for "antifa busses" while passing around far-right newsletters encouraging the police to prepare for attacks on officers by these same mythical antifa adherents. Also going…

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Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by YellOh » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 7:39 PM UTC

throwaway346434 wrote: post #248

fleddr wrote: post #105

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Outside a college campus in California, nowhere else in the world do people ask for pronouns when they meet a person. It's not a normal human interaction.

People who use different pronouns are about 5% of americans: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/07/about-5-of-... Similar rates in other countries: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_depart... You might not do it when you meet someone. But think about the sheer number of web forms, systems or standards that are about to have to go down a rabbit hole of whether they are modeling biologica…

...isn't 5% almost exactly the Lizardman Constant? (https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and...) [Edit: my point being that the percent of people with strong non-standard gender preferences might well be less than 5%, so I doubt you'd be turning 5% of your user base away.]

Also, just to play devil's advocate, there are some people from the other side who could theoretically be annoyed by new pronouns as options and refuse to use your service because of it

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by sasattack » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 5:11 AM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #105

throwaway346434 wrote: post #48

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I found the author's pointed lack of bothering to ask about pronouns when the subject of their investigation posts under different ly gendered pseudonyms; use of the words "normal people" and infiltrating a group only to neg them to be more problematic than anything. The subject of the article might be a real shitheel. But the author doesnt do us any favours by cloaking themselves in being a Voice of the Normal while…

Outside a college campus in California, nowhere else in the world do people ask for pronouns when they meet a person. It's not a normal human interaction.

just type 'I hate transpeople' it's much simpler

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 7:12 AM UTC

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #16

> I don’t want to be anything like these people. I don’t want to be an internet person. I love this. I got a similar vibe from people who were "too good at IRC," way back in the day. They had a constant, sarcastic, tired energy about them. They had difficulty being genuine about anything. They knew so much and yet they were so stuck in their life somehow. And that sucked the life out of them. It's like they were too…

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Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by gofreddygo » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 7:13 AM UTC

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #16

> I don’t want to be anything like these people. I don’t want to be an internet person. I love this. I got a similar vibe from people who were "too good at IRC," way back in the day. They had a constant, sarcastic, tired energy about them. They had difficulty being genuine about anything. They knew so much and yet they were so stuck in their life somehow. And that sucked the life out of them. It's like they were too…

> a constant, sarcastic, tired energy ... difficulty being genuine about anything. They knew so much and yet they were so stuck in their life somehow. And that sucked the life out of them.

synonymous to HN (comments section) vibe of 2020s.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by bitwize » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 7:28 AM UTC

jacooper wrote: post #170

hooverd wrote: post #166

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I do find it funny when people go out of their way to use the wrong pronouns.

And I find it funny that people get offended if I dont break language rules for them.

Singular "they" predates singular "you".

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by JW_00000 » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 1:12 PM UTC

pdntspa wrote: post #120

jzellis wrote: post #12

The worst thing about these people isn't that they're shitty edgelords spouting nonsensical gobbledygook about NFTs like they've discovered fire. The worst thing about them is that they're uniformly boring in every conceivable way. Great, some submillennial has made his own version of ZooTV on a dying social network. That must be terribly exciting if you've never seen any media ever that came out before Gossip Girl.…

I'm just sick of seeing everyone have these obxious, stupid "extra" personalities. Nobody can be calm or cool, nobody ever wants to channel any kind of zen, everything has to have the energy of an episode Pee-Wee's Playhouse. It's like we never advanced past 3 years old.

The most active people on reddit/Twitter/social media:

* have lots of free time, e.g. teenagers, students, the unemployed. People with an average job and kids don't have the time to constantly be active on social media. Hence, you're reading a lot of teenage angst and people with non-traditional lifestyles. * have some reason to spend more time socializing online rather than in real life, e.g. because of niche interests, neurodivergency, specific personality traits... * have a job where a presence on social media is required, e.g. politicans, celebs, journalists. These are more likely to post provocative stuff(?)

The reason nobody is calm or cool is because those people don't post on social media. Everything is an episode of whatever that thing is you mentioned, because the target audience is 14-22 year olds that have plenty of free time to be online.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by terminal_d » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 10:51 PM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #233

throwaway4aday wrote: post #38

I'm pretty sure this generalizes to everything. People who cultivate a persona in any sub-culture or domain seem to be a fish out of water when confronted in a different context. Take someone from the rave scene and plop them down in a microbrewery bar and everyone will gawk at the brightly colored fidgety person that has no idea what to order. Take a polished SV entrepreneur and deposit them in an Idaho roadhouse an…

tbh it seems like the author herself is the one that's the fish out of water. I doubt the people in question are remotely as interesting, avant-garde or important online as the gushing intro suggests, but the rest of it seems to mostly be a story of how a clique were nonplussed by the complete stranger (a female one too!) turning up to their party asking lots of questions about online stuff. Sounds like half the peop…

The article is easier to read when you assume it's a hitpiece and that the author is an unreliable narrator. Not fond of terminally online people either but they are shaping the culture.