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Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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And quite possibly ploughing into a crowd of pedestrians in the process.

nah in this case all those pedestrians have an anti-car force field

At the risk of really straining the metaphor, one of the arguments is that not all the pedestrians are able to be fitted with those force fields. The force fields are also not 100% full-proof, although they can help reduce the impact.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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nah in this case all those pedestrians have an anti-car force field

At the risk of really straining the metaphor, one of the arguments is that not all the pedestrians are able to be fitted with those force fields. The force fields are also not 100% full-proof, although they can help reduce the impact.

Let's extend the metaphor even further, when you turn on the force field many people get hurt or sick sometimes even for days.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Good point, and now that we know the vaccines don't prevent transmission, the same goes for the vaccinated I suppose.

They do prevent transmission. God, I wish misinformation would not spread so easily. (Edit: I'm a biochemist, merely relaying a consensus position, in my area of expertise, and getting downvoted. Nice.)

Far from accurate. This is NOT the consensus

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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When my children were born, my father and his mother refused to get the TDAP. I refused them access to my house to see my newborn before they got vaccinated. They eventually relented and got the vaccination. There's a friend of a friend that I know that is anti-vax re: measles, that I refuse to let my children around. I have no interest or time to risk our health (yes, even for 0.01%) for people who refuse do basic m…

There is a large difference between old vaccines and the Covid one in terms of trust.

Yeah, the mRNA vaccines have a bunch of less shit in it, so I trust it a lot more because it should be substantially safer.

It is basically just the viral mRNA for the spike protein wrapped into a tiny lipid particle that looks exactly like one of your cell walls.

All vaccines that have come before it have considerably more stuff in them and much more to go wrong.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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They do, because it's not 100% effective at preventing transmission. That does not mean it is 0% effective. Anything greater than 0% effectively prevents transmission. FYI, this is my area of expertise.

so if it’s a 1% prevention is sufficient to get into a semantic debate and call things misinformation? That’s unrealistic and is why your other post is being downvoted

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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I have a friend who is allergic to many vaccines. A bad reaction as a kid led to him needing years of rehab. He's also high risk for Covid. He's pro-vaccine in general I guess I should add, but his doctor told him to not get the covid shots because the risk was too high Whenever I mention that it's cruel to exclude people like him from society, due to vaccine requirements, when people like him are presumably what all…

> I have a friend who is allergic to many vaccines. A bad reaction as a kid led to him needing years of rehab. He's also high risk for Covid. He's pro-vaccine in general I guess I should add, but his doctor told him to not get the covid shots because the risk was too high

Has your friend asked another doctor for a second opinion?

It is unlikely that anyone who is allergic to prior vaccines would be allergic to the mRNA vaccines. There is no such thing as a broad spectrum vaccine allergy, there's just allergies to the individual components. If they were allergic to eggs and the flu vaccine they can safely get an mRNA vaccine.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Right, yeah, so the implication of XO 14043 being that the 80% of people who are voluntarily vaccinated are not down with the government taking their money in order to pay it to people who are voluntarily unvaccinated.

The majority of Covid deaths now are from people who are vaccinated. It's time we stop pretending to have an excuse to treat others poorly because they're not part of the "in group". It's just authoritarianism and a lot of people are super comfortable with it when it's used against "the others". https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate...

That's actually even more argument why it's important to reduce your risk of passing on the virus, then: because it can kill even vaccinated people.

Anyway, from the article you linked, here's the punchline:

> Unvaccinated people over the age of 5 had about 8 times the risk of dying from a coronavirus infection than those who received a booster shot.

Yeah, so more deaths among vaccinated people is merely a product of the fact that more people are vaccinated

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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The majority of Covid deaths now are from people who are vaccinated. It's time we stop pretending to have an excuse to treat others poorly because they're not part of the "in group". It's just authoritarianism and a lot of people are super comfortable with it when it's used against "the others". https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate...

That's actually even more argument why it's important to reduce your risk of passing on the virus, then: because it can kill even vaccinated people. Anyway, from the article you linked, here's the punchline: > Unvaccinated people over the age of 5 had about 8 times the risk of dying from a coronavirus infection than those who received a booster shot. Yeah, so more deaths among vaccinated people is merely a product of…

"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data." ~Director of CDC

Sorry, the trust is gone. They lied on purpose. The only question that matters now is, how do they ever get it back? It's gonna take a LONG time.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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When I was growing up, you had to get your vaccines to go to school or join the military or participate in many aspects of society and anti-vaxers were seen as a fringe minority.

I imagine I'm somewhat older than you. "Antivaxer" was not a term I knew as a child. That came later.

That the term didn't exist would suggest it was a fringe belief, wouldn't it? This isn't something where I have a lot of knowledge of history, but I do follow the scientific skepticism movement a bit, and they would probably place the modern pre-covid vaccine denial movement as starting with a discredited paper by Andrew Wakefield in the early 90's that suggested that vaccines were causing greater incidences of autism. I certainly remember at the time that it was seen as a fringe belief and actually not particularly associated with one one end of the political spectrum or other. I think the modern analog would be the flat earth movement. It's certainly clear to me that this has changed though.
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