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Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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post #49

There's a lot of negativity in this thread and being the good contrarian I am, I wanted to see what's so bad about this. I went ahead and installed it. Sure, the login part is annoying, especially since I don't see any killer features that really need it yet. However, there are some great ideas in this. The first thing I noticed is that it is fast. Noticeably faster than iTerm, which I use daily. Printing a large fil…

Note that it's not hard to be faster than iTerm2: https://danluu.com/term-latency/

Warp is built on alacritty which is firmly middle of the road in that chart.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

#62
post #9

Honestly been a Mac user since I could be defined as a user and I'm still yet to install iTerm over Terminal.app, so I'm curious: who is this for, really?

I think Terminal.app is extremely good personally, I’ve been using it for 20 years at this point. The only thing that seems consistently faster is Alacritty.

I tried Warp and I wasn’t impressed at how it outputs text. I had some issues copying and pasting because it formats some things weird.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

#63
post #37
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Business model: Juicero for bash.

I didn't know about Juicero, so for those who don't, this is hilarious: > Juicero was an American company that designed and manufactured the Juicero Press, a fruit and vegetable juicer. The Juicero Press was a Wi-Fi connected juicer that used proprietary, single-serving packets of pre-chopped fruits and vegetables that were sold exclusively by the company by subscription. From 2014 to 2017, the San Francisco-based fi…

There's another dimension to this story: the machine itself was so over-engineered [1] it was like using Kubernetes to host a static site with a single HTML file.

They had CNC machined parts when they had the capital to injection mold everything (they could have used exotic alloys and it still would have been cheaper), complex multi-material plastic parts, and the whole thing was way too complicated - the door lock alone had dozens of parts in an assembly controlled by a dedicated PCB.

[1] https://blog.bolt.io/juicero/

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're just looking to pimp your terminal and sand off some of the edges, fish is a great shell replacement to try: https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell A lot of Mac users either don't know they're using zsh by default now or simply don't take advantage of it's scripting language/featureset. For those people, I think fish makes a compelling upgrade. No log-in, just a slightly nicer interactive terminal prompt.

Fish is a shell, warp is a terminal emulator. So even if someone uses fish they still need a terminal emulator; e.g. iTerm2 or Terminal.app. Am I missing something?

Warp goes a bit beyond a normal terminal emulator and blurs the line a bit in order to support multiple shells without the user having to configure it in their shell by editing .bashrc or whatever. Eg Clickable position for text entry, which most other text boxes have supported since the 80's. I'm sure there's a readline setting somewhere out there but Warp overrides whatever settings are needed in order to get that to work out of the box.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

#65
post #5

My current terminals, iTerm2, xfce4-terminal, and Alacritty, don’t have telemetry. What am I missing out on here?

Seriously, what the actual fuck? Have enough developers really been conditioned to accept surveillance and pervasive centralized control that someone thought this was a good idea? The fact that the telemetry code even exists is a problem - both in case of a bug that turns it on, and what it says about the proclivities of its developers. It's utterly inappropriate to refer to this as "the Rust-based terminal", as if t…

Yup the new script kiddies in town have not had to win wars against large enterprise companies.

Hacker culture is very minimal these days.

Now a quick npm install here and there, using a slow af editor like vs code, using autocomplete which sends your strokes to the sky and using every single cloud service available to be "pragmatic" while sipping soy lattes, have made this whole industry, slow, uncool and boring.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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post #35
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this is fruit fly startup which will eventually fail. I can’t believe anyone could think this would be successful. It might do something interesting before it dies, though.

Warp got $23M from folks like the CEOs of Figma, Salesforce, and LinkedIn - they all expected this fruit fly to turn into a unicorn.

Looking at the product page, guessing the money is in making deals with crappy IT departments to adopt it across whole orgs for the enterprise "advanced security and compliance features". In that case i would also expect to see a bunch of submarine blog posts on how terminals are a liability due to "shell scripts are shadow it", "disgruntled employees exfiltrate data with curl commands", "iterm2 lets users bypass MDM" etc. idk thr whole thing just seems gross

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

#67
Maybe people do things with their terminal I don’t, but iTerm2 which is apparently slower than others is so fast at responding to my input that I can’t perceive the delay. Then it has 150 more features than I even use. I feel no need at all to replace it.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

#68
I see no benefits in using Warp over a regular (and more supported) GPU-accelerated terminal emulator. It's just "prettier" out of the box, and it seems to market quite a bit to people that either don't know how to configure their shells, or don't know what they're doing.

  - If you want fuzzy command, history, file / contents search, use fzf [0] (you should probably be using fzf and ripgrep [1] anyway if you work daily in your terminal).
  - If you want sessions, use a multiplexer like tmux [2] or zellij [3].
  - If you need to have your own "cheatsheets" use navi [4]. If you want to sync them with your team, use whatever sync solution you like.
  - If you think you need a text editor in your shell's command line, reconsider. If you *really*  want to edit and re-execute the last command in your editor of choice, use something like "fc $!" [5] or create your own shell solution for it.
  - If you want a sexy prompt use starship [6].
  - If you want terminal sharing use tty-share [7].
  - If you want to ask GPT for help, don't do it in your terminal. Open up ChatGPT (or whatever future UI will exist), ask your question, and check that there's nothing harmful in what your about to execute. Sometimes friction is good.
For each of these ^ pieces of software there are tens and hundreds of alternatives.

If you want a terminal that's pretty out-of-the-box, where things are "clickable", you don't have the time or interest to invest your energy in learning tools that could massively boost your productivity for years to come, and you don't care about designing your own workflow and being able swap parts of it at any point, without depending on any single "app", and if you don't mind "logging into your terminal" (what the actual fuck, excuse the language) or the terminal adding its own SSH wrapper and doing things you don't know to the hosts you connect, then maybe Warp is OK for you. But then again, maybe you're not going in the right direction.

There are so many more awesome ways you could improve your shell experience than making things clicky. I don't understand what the market is for Warp, is it for wanna-be professionals that can't be bothered to become professionals? I completely fail to see how this could succeed as a paid product, especially with a subscription model.

  [0] https://github.com/junegunn/fzf
  [1] https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
  [2] https://github.com/tmux/tmux
  [3] https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij
  [4] https://github.com/denisidoro/navi
  [5] https://shapeshed.com/unix-fc
  [6] https://starship.rs/
  [7] https://github.com/elisescu/tty-share

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

#70
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Warp got $23M from folks like the CEOs of Figma, Salesforce, and LinkedIn - they all expected this fruit fly to turn into a unicorn.

If I bet $1 for a 1:10 chance to win $15, do I expect to win $15?

Then the expected outcome would be $1.50, statistically.
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