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Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by throwaway22032 »

luckylion wrote: post #34
throwaway22032 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my view it's tantamount to abuse, because ultimately what it does is erodes trust. If you're shouting at someone to do something over and over again, eventually they just stop listening to you and try to get away from you. The correct way is to explain to them the reasons that you feel it's good for them, or for those around them, and then let them make the decision. Otherwise you're acting as a parent. You're not…

> The correct way is to explain to them the reasons that you feel it's good for them, or for those around them, and then let them make the decision. The problem is, at least for many societies, that we don't operate on "you get to choose, but you have to live with the consequences". If you choose not to get vaccinated because you want to avoid becoming a walking 5g transmitter programmed by Bill Gates, and you get si…

You're not understanding my point.

Shouting people down, restricting their movements, trying to put them out of a job etc. is abusive behaviour.

It works if the force is sufficient enough. That doesn't make it right.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by adamiscool8 »

It’s frightening how easily the framing of a very individual risk assessment with collectivist “do the right thing for everyone” messaging can prompt discriminatory attitudes. The threshold to trigger this herding behavior is far lower than I would have thought pre-pandemic, as is the ease with which fear engineering can enhance credulity and dismantle higher order thinking at scale. These triggers also reward a sense of complacency towards fundamental rights, and it seems likely more of these mass cognitive warfare experiments will be seen to intentionally probe for exploits of our current system.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by falcolas »

chrsig wrote: post #12
DeetrixDotter wrote: post #8

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The unvaccinated are not entitled to empathy.

It depends, in my mind, on why someone is unvaccinated. Why matters.

And while "why" is not always easy to figure out, if someone calls me a "sheep" for getting a vaccine or argues with a minimum-wage worker about a mask policy, I will associate their "why" with "ignorance". If they conspicuously fake a cough near others, I downgrade their "why" to "malice" and feel quite justified in discriminating against them.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by DeetrixDotter »

chrsig wrote: post #25
christkv wrote: post #15

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You get that the hospitals were being overrun by people dying of covid, right? It was to the point where emergency care wasn't available because hospitals were full. I doubt your claim, but even then, there are plenty of other reasons why having such a high unvaccinated population is a problem.

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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by ArmandTanzarian »

So everyone on HN feels like the unvaccinated are part of an oppressed caste? I really don't understand the comments I am reading here. There are large groups of people who are unvaccinated by choice, not because of genuine health concerns. A friend of mine is unable to get vaccinated due to serious health concerns, and she is furious that do many people refuse to get it, as it continues to prevent her from living a normal life.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by TrevorJ »

hackerlight wrote: post #19
barbariangrunge wrote: post #5

I have a friend who is allergic to many vaccines. A bad reaction as a kid led to him needing years of rehab. He's also high risk for Covid. He's pro-vaccine in general I guess I should add, but his doctor told him to not get the covid shots because the risk was too high Whenever I mention that it's cruel to exclude people like him from society, due to vaccine requirements, when people like him are presumably what all…

> a little mob came together to denounce the idea and say that he absolutely should never be allowed in public again. Emphasis on "little", I suppose? This sounds like a strawman. I don't think many would have argued that someone with a legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated should be excluded from anything.

>I don't think many would have argued that someone with a legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated should be excluded from anything.

That was not my experience at all. New York, notably had no medical exceptions for entering businesses, at least for a while. I live in another major city and had to take steps to figure out how the heck I was going to get food if the same policy came into place.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by falcolas »

TrevorJ wrote: post #29
adamrezich wrote: post #4

how's everyone else from the control group doing these days? things were never really that bad, discrimination-wise, here in South Dakota, but what was/is it like everywhere else? (edit: wow I thought we were, as a collective, Largely Over It now—guess that's not the case! I'm glad things aren't as bad as they are in this thread where I live! one has to wonder though: how long will this deep-seated emotion-based disc…

Two doctors told me the vaccine may not be safe for someone with my rare condition (There's a list of medications and interventions as long as my arm that I can't take because they could literally kill me). In spite of this, neither doctor was initially willing to put their opinion on paper so I could keep my job because of the immense pressure on them to get everyone vaccinated. Thank God, the specialist I saw came…

> Being forced to go into my personal medical history to justify my choices was a weird experience.

Try having a non-visible disability. It's a pretty common thing, actually. It even kinda falls in the same category - one of the workplace duties is to be vaccinated, and you have extenuating circumstances which require an affordance since you can't meet that duty.

School teachers, for a very long time, were required to be vaccinated against TB. There's a long history of requiring vaccinations if you work or are exposed to other vulnerable folks.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by christkv »

chrsig wrote: post #25
christkv wrote: post #15

Quoted post unavailable.

You get that the hospitals were being overrun by people dying of covid, right? It was to the point where emergency care wasn't available because hospitals were full. I doubt your claim, but even then, there are plenty of other reasons why having such a high unvaccinated population is a problem.

I’m vaxed by the way and yes I’m aware of the problems but you are not addressing what I said at all. The unvaxed person was or vaxed person spread and is spreading the virus at the same rate. The irrationality of treating unvaxed people now differently from vaxed persons is absurd.

I’m more worried about the serious mental health issues people obsessed with the virus are having. I keep seeing people on the street with n95 mask walking alone.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by [deleted] »

curmudgeon22 wrote: post #36
adamrezich wrote: post #4

how's everyone else from the control group doing these days? things were never really that bad, discrimination-wise, here in South Dakota, but what was/is it like everywhere else? (edit: wow I thought we were, as a collective, Largely Over It now—guess that's not the case! I'm glad things aren't as bad as they are in this thread where I live! one has to wonder though: how long will this deep-seated emotion-based disc…

I'm in Canada, near Vancouver. It's mostly back to normal now, but for a long time: * couldn't visit restaurants * couldn't fly/take a train/take a ferry Still can't: * Visit my grandparents at their retirement home * Visit the USA The general opinion as that you should be vaccinated, but it mostly doesn't come up now. The government is currently passing legislation so they can better mandate vaccination to medical p…

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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by jeffbee »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #9

When I was growing up, they counted anyone who got vaccinated against something as a "success." So if 80 percent got vaccinated for X, they bragged about that. These days, we count anyone who didn't get vaccinated as a failure and bellyache about that 20 percent that "won't cooperate" and malign them as problem children who don't have a good reason for their choices. It's a dramatic change in attitude and it's very s…

Historically there was never a vaccine with only 80% adoption rate, in the U.S at least. Anyone would have considered that a failure for the polio vaccine. All the major vaccines are 90% coverage or better, or at least they did until recent years.
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