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Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by eastbound »

chomp wrote: post #6
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When my children were born, my father and his mother refused to get the TDAP. I refused them access to my house to see my newborn before they got vaccinated. They eventually relented and got the vaccination. There's a friend of a friend that I know that is anti-vax re: measles, that I refuse to let my children around. I have no interest or time to risk our health (yes, even for 0.01%) for people who refuse do basic m…

There is a large difference between old vaccines and the Covid one in terms of trust.

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Ok but like, we don't let the unlicensed drive cars either because that is you know, dangerous to other humans. Some of the reactions you're describing are extreme for sure, but the fundamental idea of refusing rights to people who don't care about the safety of others is sound and important to a working society.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by teddyh »

As soon as a new subset of people have been designated as part of the outgroup, they are basically fair game for everybody to get their kicks in¹. And boy howdy do people love some fully justifiable carnage.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33802663

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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DoreenMichele wrote: post #9

When I was growing up, they counted anyone who got vaccinated against something as a "success." So if 80 percent got vaccinated for X, they bragged about that. These days, we count anyone who didn't get vaccinated as a failure and bellyache about that 20 percent that "won't cooperate" and malign them as problem children who don't have a good reason for their choices. It's a dramatic change in attitude and it's very s…

In my view it's tantamount to abuse, because ultimately what it does is erodes trust.

If you're shouting at someone to do something over and over again, eventually they just stop listening to you and try to get away from you.

The correct way is to explain to them the reasons that you feel it's good for them, or for those around them, and then let them make the decision.

Otherwise you're acting as a parent. You're not treating them as an equal.

I'm sure that some people will take issue with my specific use of the term "abuse", but it meets the definition as far as I can tell.

It even goes down to the point that people (who disagree) just stop talking about it completely because they're always walking on eggshells.

People flip out, tell you you can't go to XYZ or do XYZ, etc. It's just like, okay, whatever man, I'll say whatever you want me to say for an easy life. Doesn't mean I believe it or trust you.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by eastbound »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #9

When I was growing up, they counted anyone who got vaccinated against something as a "success." So if 80 percent got vaccinated for X, they bragged about that. These days, we count anyone who didn't get vaccinated as a failure and bellyache about that 20 percent that "won't cooperate" and malign them as problem children who don't have a good reason for their choices. It's a dramatic change in attitude and it's very s…

The unvaccinated played the good role of scapegoat. “Our policy won’t be effective unless 90% people vaccinate” “Only 85% vaccinated, so this wave is because of THEM, they are killing YOUR grandmother.”

It helped channeling public anger at something. It’s textbook Machiavel, I was surprised people didn’t see through that, I wish people read more ;)

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Post by hackerlight »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #5

I have a friend who is allergic to many vaccines. A bad reaction as a kid led to him needing years of rehab. He's also high risk for Covid. He's pro-vaccine in general I guess I should add, but his doctor told him to not get the covid shots because the risk was too high Whenever I mention that it's cruel to exclude people like him from society, due to vaccine requirements, when people like him are presumably what all…

> a little mob came together to denounce the idea and say that he absolutely should never be allowed in public again.

Emphasis on "little", I suppose? This sounds like a strawman. I don't think many would have argued that someone with a legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated should be excluded from anything.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by andlarry »

thot_experiment wrote: post #13
DeetrixDotter wrote: post #8

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Ok but like, we don't let the unlicensed drive cars either because that is you know, dangerous to other humans. Some of the reactions you're describing are extreme for sure, but the fundamental idea of refusing rights to people who don't care about the safety of others is sound and important to a working society.

Why would avoiding the covid vaccine mean someone doesn't care about the safety of others?
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