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Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by tomaskafka »

sshine wrote: post #5

My current terminals, iTerm2, xfce4-terminal, and Alacritty, don’t have telemetry. What am I missing out on here?

Being able to set up a quake mode reliably with assigning a key. I never got this working in iTerm2 in a way where the terminal would always pop up and have focus, despite having spent really lot of time in preferences creating profiles etc.

Seriously, what's wrong with you, iTerm2? Feel free to keep your multilevel settings, but expose the important stuff up front as a single click preset to apply.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by rcoveson »

e1g wrote: post #43
rcoveson wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I bet $1 for a 1:10 chance to win $15, do I expect to win $15?

If you actually place the bet, you believe the $15 payout is not only “possible” but even “more likely” that other bets available to you. If we define “expect” as 50%+ odds then no, if we define it as “I can see how this could happen” then yes. A $20M Series A requires those investors to believe the startup can get to $1B for the math to work out for a typical fund.

> If we define “expect” as 50%+ odds then no, if we define it as “I can see how this could happen” then yes.

Nobody has ever defined or proposed defining "expect" as "I can see how this could happen" until just now. Not only does "expect" imply 50%+ odds, it implies something like 90%+ odds. It implies that you would be surprised if it didn't happen (because you were expecting it to happen).

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by smoldesu »

ibejoeb wrote: post #33
thecodrr wrote: post #3

I don't think something as fundamental a developer tool as a Terminal makes sense as a proprietary software. That doesn't mean nobody will use it, obviously, but it does mean that you guys are sacrificing a lot of potential users for...I have actually no idea why Warp isn't open source. What's the issue? What are you afraid of?

A lot of pros use Terminal.app. As far as I know, that's not open source.

Would they still use it if it forced you to login online?

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by zamalek »

e1g wrote: post #35
7e wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this is fruit fly startup which will eventually fail. I can’t believe anyone could think this would be successful. It might do something interesting before it dies, though.

Warp got $23M from folks like the CEOs of Figma, Salesforce, and LinkedIn - they all expected this fruit fly to turn into a unicorn.

I'm not drawing equivalence between products here, but rather tempering trust in the opinions of investors. How much money was invested into FTX? How many renowned investors swore, and continue to swear, by that sham? Saying that "all these investors think it is good" is also just an appeal to authority.

The target market is developers, and developers are spooked out by this kind of thing. Seems risky.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by zamalek »

smoldesu wrote: post #30
firstSpeaker wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fish is a shell, warp is a terminal emulator. So even if someone uses fish they still need a terminal emulator; e.g. iTerm2 or Terminal.app. Am I missing something?

Yep! fish and iTerm2 make a wonderful pair on MacOS, it's my go-to combo. My larger point is that you can add nice features to your terminal without adding cloud logins or shady proprietary clients.

Don't forget https://starship.rs/

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by berjin »

smoldesu wrote: post #2

> At this time, Warp continues to require login. I don't want to stoke the flames again, but even VS Code doesn't force you to log-in. Microsoft knows that blocking you from using basic functionality of a free app is a bad user experience. It's good that you're letting people opt-in to a more private experience, but that was hardly the largest problem I could see the last time this was brought up. From where I'm stan…

I agree. I installed warp and uninstalled it as soon as I saw the login screen. I understand this might be good for a business but it brings no value to me and wastes my time.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by janef0421 »

zachlloyd wrote: post #12
smoldesu wrote: post #2

> At this time, Warp continues to require login. I don't want to stoke the flames again, but even VS Code doesn't force you to log-in. Microsoft knows that blocking you from using basic functionality of a free app is a bad user experience. It's good that you're letting people opt-in to a more private experience, but that was hardly the largest problem I could see the last time this was brought up. From where I'm stan…

Zach from Warp here. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. Re: login, I get the concern and we are exploring product options that let folks preview warp without login. From a product perspective our goal is to make the terminal cloud-native and have a way of facilitating collaboration, and it's not really possible to build that without user identity. Specifically, login allows us to build cloud-oriented features that m…

That seems quite similar to allowing developers to SSH into a development server. That option is highly mature, allows users to use a variety of tools, and is not very expensive. How does your product improve on that?

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by gbourne »

blopker wrote: post #49

There's a lot of negativity in this thread and being the good contrarian I am, I wanted to see what's so bad about this. I went ahead and installed it. Sure, the login part is annoying, especially since I don't see any killer features that really need it yet. However, there are some great ideas in this. The first thing I noticed is that it is fast. Noticeably faster than iTerm, which I use daily. Printing a large fil…

I've been using Warp since it was announced on HN, and it is great. May favorite terminal yet. Fast, features such as autocomplete so much better than iTerm.

There is a lot of negative thoughts on this thread - would love to hear from the people who actually have tried out Warp and not those waxing on about the indignity of being asked to login to a free product.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by kitsunesoba »

selectnull wrote: post #19
tksb wrote: post #9

Honestly been a Mac user since I could be defined as a user and I'm still yet to install iTerm over Terminal.app, so I'm curious: who is this for, really?

Honestly, you're in a minority. Most Mac users install and use iTerm2, Alacritty, (my favorite) WezTerm, etc... So obviously, there is a market for terminals. Warp though, definitely not for me.

I tried running iTerm for a while and found its quirks more annoying than its perks are worth. I don’t live in the terminal though… it gets frequent use but it’s not the primary tool that it is for some.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by titaniumtown »

rubberduckiee wrote: post #7
thecodrr wrote: post #3

I don't think something as fundamental a developer tool as a Terminal makes sense as a proprietary software. That doesn't mean nobody will use it, obviously, but it does mean that you guys are sacrificing a lot of potential users for...I have actually no idea why Warp isn't open source. What's the issue? What are you afraid of?

Hi, Jess from Warp here. As a response to your questions, please see how we’re thinking about open source here: https://github.com/warpdotdev/Warp/discussions/400 As a side note, we are open sourcing our extension points as we go. The community has already been contributing new themes ( https://github.com/warpdotdev/themes ). And we’ve just opened a repository for the community to contribute common useful commands. S…

if it's not fully opensource, most actually technical people won't use it because they know better
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