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Tor Browser 12.0

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Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#171

The inescapable fact about Tor is that its traffic patterns make you stand out prominently. Just the fact you’re using it automatically makes you interesting and worthy of a closer look. All well and good if you’re just maintaining a cookie recipe site on the dark web, but it’s rarely ever that, is it?

> The inescapable fact about Tor is that its traffic patterns make you stand out prominently. I'm curious as to how it stands out. I can imagine a few things, like an ISP seeing traffic to known TOR intermediary nodes, or maybe analyzing packets to look for some sort of handshake? > Just the fact you’re using it automatically makes you interesting and worthy of a closer look. Sort of. But what would looking do? What…

It's known from leaks that showing an interest in Tor is enough to get you on an NSA list. But this list was so incredibly broad that anyone with an interest in technology was/is probably on it, diminishing its usefulness to actually discriminate anyone.

https://www.propublica.org/article/heres-one-way-to-land-on-...

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#172

Just FYI that HN is very anti-tor. I made this account via Tor just now to prove the point. It will be dead by default (unless someone "vouches" for it). It's a very user-hostile stance that HN takes (along with not letting you delete your account). It really makes you wonder what they're doing with all this data? Doxxing is almost a given.

Different poster here. This account and post were done over Tor. Let's see if this holds. EDIT: Yup; dead on arrival.

Not dead.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#173

I once spoke with someone who knew someone who ran an exit node in Europe. He told crazy stories with police knocking every once in a while. Also the legal structure to do that was tricky, because you want to avoid the police searching your house; you'd also like tl spread responsability on multiple shoulders. So you have to create a kind of non-profit organization and run the exit node through that. It's very hard w…

It is widely suspected that the US NSA runs a large number of Tor exit nodes themselves. Tor was originally developed by a US military research lab and received additional funding under the justification that it would help dissidents in China and North Korea evade their country's censorship and surveillance. It also doubles as a way for the US government to surveil anyone seeking to evade surveillance as well. See th…

> It also doubles as a way for the US government to surveil anyone seeking to evade surveillance as well.

Supposing they own now enough Tor node, which the Wikipedia link is unclear about

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#174

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the scenario I'm describing is "You -> VPN/SSH -> Tor" and your link says it's a fine idea.

Just keep in mind that your VPN/SSH provider now has the same visibility your ISP did.

Using a reputable VPN who claims no logs is much better than an ISP who gladly hands over logs.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#175
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Do you make the same overclever statements when someone abuses freedom of the press?

There is nothing overclever about it, the tech is obviously being abused by criminals. The question around whether it's worth it to enable some "freedom of the press" is apparently enough to evoke some anger within you.

Drop your pen, cause that is a tool abused by criminals to make atom bombs (ultimately).

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#176

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Rather than playing coy, you should tackle the challenging part of your argument head-on: tell us why you think Tor is different from other technologies that are routinely abused. That would actually be a substantive contribution to the discussion.

Why do I have to tell you this when it should be instantly obvious: Tor is literally designed to obfuscate the identity of people. A coffee machine isn't.

So you think people in oppressive regimes should voice their opinion and/or whistleblow with no identity protection and risk... death?

You either have haven't thought about this topic very long, or you're just a troll.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#177

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Do Not Run An Exit Node! very few people have legitimate uses for an exit node. And it is a security nigthmare for everyone (you owning their crimes, them being at your MiTM attacks mercy, etc) But Do Run A Tor Node! everyone should join tor and it should become the main net, with only tor traffic.

Well, I’m going to burn some karma by agreeing with you. Running an exit node is a bit like operating a no questions asked gun shop in downtown (some deprived city). Sure, there’s perfectly legitimate reasons to own and therefore sell a gun to someone, but that particular shop will be in the business of facilitating crime - and that’s a bad thing and therefore not a moral occupation.

> Running an exit node is a bit like operating a no questions asked gun shop in downtown (some deprived city).

It's not quite like that. For some use cases that could be a correct metaphore. But for others, it's more like running a self-defense class in a well respected neighborhood.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#178
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All comments here focus on extreme cases: The police viewing you as a possible suspect, FBI becoming interested in you etc. Here is a much more mundane problem: Using Tor (even a VPN) while logging in to most big Silicon Valley firma that make money with your data (LinkedIn, Facebook, Tinder etc.) will result in your profile being suspended REAL FAST with the only way out to upload your gov't ID, i.e. complete deanon…

Stop using those services. This is a clear message that you cannot use them privately.

C'mon, for a forum of hackers that's a pretty lame answer, isn't it? :P

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#179

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Could we maybe not on this website use the term glowie considering it's explicitly sourced from a neo nazi and a phrase involving the n word. seems like maybe not real in line with HN rules....

It originated from Terry Davis the creator of TempleOS, but okay I get your point.

/pol/ popularized it through him since they were big fans

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#180

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I've been running exit nodes in europe for years and not even a call from the police, what's wrong with me? huh? ;) I do regularly handle abuse complaints by blocking IPs or other actions.

Have you been blocked by any major services? I've heard horror stories from colleagues of their static IP address eventually being blocked from their bank.

I've had my IP blacklisted for running a non-exit node, just a relay. So it's definitely a thing.
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