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Tor Browser 12.0

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Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by Nathanba »

patcon wrote: post #146
Nathanba wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask: That wasn't enough for you to stop operating a Tor node? People were abusing others thanks to your specific personal efforts and you just said: "eh, it's still worth it". How do you determine that it's still worth it?

Do you make the same overclever statements when someone abuses freedom of the press?

There is nothing overclever about it, the tech is obviously being abused by criminals. The question around whether it's worth it to enable some "freedom of the press" is apparently enough to evoke some anger within you.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by conductr »

Nathanba wrote: post #151
patcon wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you make the same overclever statements when someone abuses freedom of the press?

There is nothing overclever about it, the tech is obviously being abused by criminals. The question around whether it's worth it to enable some "freedom of the press" is apparently enough to evoke some anger within you.

All tech is abused by criminals. Should an ISP close up shop when one of their subscribers is proven to be a hacker? Likewise, we could argue that many of the legitimate technology companies should be considered criminals. With a few strokes of the pen, they could one day be criminals.

My first interaction with Tor I purchased some weed on Silk Road. All very much illegally then and less so now. Things change and are not always quite right to begin with. I’d wager that many readers here now have legal retail access to euphoria inducing cannabis products that they did not at the time of that transaction on SR.

Also. I understand that Tor isn’t always secure and I may have messed up. But whatever. Even as some obfuscation I’m ok with it. Anyone interested could track the payment and find me.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by Legogris »

implements wrote: post #127
hdheiehdfhfuf wrote: post #122

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Do Not Run An Exit Node! very few people have legitimate uses for an exit node. And it is a security nigthmare for everyone (you owning their crimes, them being at your MiTM attacks mercy, etc) But Do Run A Tor Node! everyone should join tor and it should become the main net, with only tor traffic.

Well, I’m going to burn some karma by agreeing with you. Running an exit node is a bit like operating a no questions asked gun shop in downtown (some deprived city). Sure, there’s perfectly legitimate reasons to own and therefore sell a gun to someone, but that particular shop will be in the business of facilitating crime - and that’s a bad thing and therefore not a moral occupation.

s/gun/phone card/

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

#154

Post by anonym29 »

sterlind wrote: post #48
bluesttuesday wrote: post #44

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Using a VPN to connect to Tor can decrease anonymity. The Tor wiki has a whole page about the topic https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/doc/TorPlu...

the scenario I'm describing is "You -> VPN/SSH -> Tor" and your link says it's a fine idea.

Just keep in mind that your VPN/SSH provider now has the same visibility your ISP did.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 »

sasattack wrote: post #21
mothsonasloth wrote: post #15

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Could we maybe not on this website use the term glowie considering it's explicitly sourced from a neo nazi and a phrase involving the n word. seems like maybe not real in line with HN rules....

nice try, glowie

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by ffpip »

dhaavi wrote: post #105
Gigachad wrote: post #90

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It’s not a setting, it’s like their version of an incognito tab. You can right click a link to “open in tor”

Afaik, it does not use Tor from within the browser, but uses a proxy server into Tor. That could have changed though.

It runs a TOR client locally and proxies all connections through that. It does not implement the privacy protections of the TOR browser tho.

Basically, using the TOR network as a VPN.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by omginternets »

Nathanba wrote: post #151
patcon wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you make the same overclever statements when someone abuses freedom of the press?

There is nothing overclever about it, the tech is obviously being abused by criminals. The question around whether it's worth it to enable some "freedom of the press" is apparently enough to evoke some anger within you.

Rather than playing coy, you should tackle the challenging part of your argument head-on: tell us why you think Tor is different from other technologies that are routinely abused. That would actually be a substantive contribution to the discussion.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by INTPenis »

data_maan wrote: post #89

I once spoke with someone who knew someone who ran an exit node in Europe. He told crazy stories with police knocking every once in a while. Also the legal structure to do that was tricky, because you want to avoid the police searching your house; you'd also like tl spread responsability on multiple shoulders. So you have to create a kind of non-profit organization and run the exit node through that. It's very hard w…

I've been running exit nodes in europe for years and not even a call from the police, what's wrong with me? huh? ;)

I do regularly handle abuse complaints by blocking IPs or other actions.

Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by rochak »

INTPenis wrote: post #158
data_maan wrote: post #89

I once spoke with someone who knew someone who ran an exit node in Europe. He told crazy stories with police knocking every once in a while. Also the legal structure to do that was tricky, because you want to avoid the police searching your house; you'd also like tl spread responsability on multiple shoulders. So you have to create a kind of non-profit organization and run the exit node through that. It's very hard w…

I've been running exit nodes in europe for years and not even a call from the police, what's wrong with me? huh? ;) I do regularly handle abuse complaints by blocking IPs or other actions.

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Re: Tor Browser 12.0

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Post by Nathanba »

omginternets wrote: post #157
Nathanba wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing overclever about it, the tech is obviously being abused by criminals. The question around whether it's worth it to enable some "freedom of the press" is apparently enough to evoke some anger within you.

Rather than playing coy, you should tackle the challenging part of your argument head-on: tell us why you think Tor is different from other technologies that are routinely abused. That would actually be a substantive contribution to the discussion.

Why do I have to tell you this when it should be instantly obvious: Tor is literally designed to obfuscate the identity of people. A coffee machine isn't.
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