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Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by rayiner »

davidu wrote: post #20
drhowarddrfine wrote: post #5

Google has said from the beginning that the purpose of Chrome was to move the web forward, not compete with other browsers, and I had forgotten that.

This is not Chrome's purpose. Everything between the user and the monetization mechanism (advertisement) is strategic to Google. It just doesn't sound as warm and fuzzy when they say it like that.

The two statements are not necessarily in conflict. It helps Google's bottom line to move the web forward, and make more things possible through browser interfaces.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by potch »

jedberg wrote: post #28
khuey wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla's decisions on what technologies to support and what to oppose are not influenced by our business arrangements.

Not officially, no, but I'm sure if google goes to mozilla and says, "hey, we think you guys should support technology X, it's really great" I'm sure you'd listen and probably get a good nudge from the higher ups that, "hey maybe we should listen to those google people".

That notion could not be more wrong.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by magicalist »

davidu wrote: post #20
drhowarddrfine wrote: post #5

Google has said from the beginning that the purpose of Chrome was to move the web forward, not compete with other browsers, and I had forgotten that.

This is not Chrome's purpose. Everything between the user and the monetization mechanism (advertisement) is strategic to Google. It just doesn't sound as warm and fuzzy when they say it like that.

Er, does OpenDNS exist only to make you money? This seems like exactly the simplistic analysis that the post was objecting to.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by powertower »

Some people would have a hard time surviving in the real world outside of Google's walls.

I can see why a guy on the Chrome UI team would dismiss a valid business strategy of hedging against the IE + Firefox user-base that uses the search bar and address bar for 100% of their searches (vs. going to http://www.google.com directly) ... having their default search engine switched on them.

To him, owning a share of the browser market is not really important to Google, in that way, because he has this image of himself and Google being the good guys and doing to no evil.

Someone drank the kool-aid.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by azakai »

nextparadigms wrote: post #13

I would've thought this was obvious. Google didn't just pay $300 to stop Firefox from using Bing, although I'm sure that played a big role, too, but I believe the reason Mozilla got $300 million was because they knew how to negotiate the price up. I don't think Mozilla really wanted to change to Bing. Also, Google is a lot better off having an ally in Mozilla. Not so much because they don't want Bing to get a lot of…

> I wouldn't be surprised if for those $300 million they also got Mozilla to accept using Native Client in Firefox later on.

If you're suggesting that Mozilla would do something bad for the web for money, then I think you couldn't be more wrong. Mozilla is a nonprofit exactly for this reason.

(Worth noting that the for-profit Opera opposes Native Client too - it isn't just nonprofits that have values.)

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by redthrowaway »

hub_ wrote: post #18
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that both have good browsers. What I'm worried about is the lack of emphasis that seems to be placed; Android browser is missing a lot of html5 features (according to caniuse.com it only supports 66% of current features in Android 4.0). Mozilla, on the other hand, seems to be making mobile a priority with all of the work they are doing in WebAPI. Their browser is updating a lot faster than Android's, which…

OS upgrades that a lot of Android users don't get. If I want to get an up to date browser on my Nexus One, I have to use Firefox... as Google said they no longer support the phone. iOS users are in the same boat, but Apple has been providing much more support to older devices.

To be perfectly honest, Apple pushing the latest iOS versions to older devices is not really a good thing. iOS 5 is a dog on my 3GS.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by jQueryIsAwesome »

redthrowaway wrote: post #36
photon_off wrote: post #35

Please make the Chrome address bar awesome.

The omnibox is already awesome. It's Chrome's definitive UX feature, and I'm surprised nobody else has implemented it yet.

Yep, when i have to test something in Firefox i always forget that to search in Google (or in other popular site) i can't just write it in the address bar.

And it always remember all my sites so to go to hacker news i just write an "n" and it writes the rest... and i can even delete the suggestions with shift+delete.

So yeah, i also don't have any idea what the parent comment was triyng to say.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Post by ootachi »

jQueryIsAwesome wrote: post #39
redthrowaway wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The omnibox is already awesome. It's Chrome's definitive UX feature, and I'm surprised nobody else has implemented it yet.

Yep, when i have to test something in Firefox i always forget that to search in Google (or in other popular site) i can't just write it in the address bar. And it always remember all my sites so to go to hacker news i just write an "n" and it writes the rest... and i can even delete the suggestions with shift+delete. So yeah, i also don't have any idea what the parent comment was triyng to say.

Except you can just write it in the address bar (and hit enter). Try it!
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