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Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Mozilla is putting a lot of resources; including some of their best coders, into advancing mobile. I don't see the same on Google's side. Am I wrong?

They have sponsored and released the only modern smartphone OS that isn't locked down to one company like iOS. They (through Android) are to Apple, what OpenOffice/LibreOffice is to MS Office. They are the reason Apple don't own smartphone. With Google/Android what would be the Apple competitor? Blackberry? OpenMoko?!

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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I would've thought this was obvious. Google didn't just pay $300 to stop Firefox from using Bing, although I'm sure that played a big role, too, but I believe the reason Mozilla got $300 million was because they knew how to negotiate the price up. I don't think Mozilla really wanted to change to Bing.

Also, Google is a lot better off having an ally in Mozilla. Not so much because they don't want Bing to get a lot of users, but because together with Mozilla they have over 50% of the browser market share, and since the whole total of that market share includes very modern browser versions(Chrome always on latest version, Firefox not too far behind with the old ones), Google and Mozilla can pretty much dictate where the web is going now. I wouldn't be surprised if for those $300 million they also got Mozilla to accept using Native Client in Firefox later on. I think this part of the partnership matters more than just stopping Bing from becoming the default search on Firefox.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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This article is BS. Google is a for-profit public company, hence google wants to make more money for google's shareholders. If they can do that by pushing chrome (advertizing platform) or firefox (OSS platform that they want to control) then that's what they will do. It doesn't matter what browser you use, so long as you look at their ads. Never mind their horrible privacy practices (2038 cookie) and associated shenanigans.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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post #11

Mozilla is putting a lot of resources; including some of their best coders, into advancing mobile. I don't see the same on Google's side. Am I wrong?

They have sponsored and released the only modern smartphone OS that isn't locked down to one company like iOS. They (through Android) are to Apple, what OpenOffice/LibreOffice is to MS Office. They are the reason Apple don't own smartphone. With Google/Android what would be the Apple competitor? Blackberry? OpenMoko?!

In the context of this posting, I'm specifically talking about the mobile web.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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post #15

This article is BS. Google is a for-profit public company, hence google wants to make more money for google's shareholders. If they can do that by pushing chrome (advertizing platform) or firefox (OSS platform that they want to control) then that's what they will do. It doesn't matter what browser you use, so long as you look at their ads. Never mind their horrible privacy practices (2038 cookie) and associated shena…

How is that incompatible with bringing the web forward?

Making sure the web is an open platform make sure no one control the technology, therefor Google have more opportunities to display ads. And also people have more opportunities to compete with Google too.

Nothing forces you to visit Google properties, etc.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android and iPhone are the only mobile platforms worth worrying about for the rather longterm goal of improving the web, both have good browsers. So unlike Mozilla Google is not practically irrelevant on mobile platforms, why then should they invest more money?

I disagree that both have good browsers. What I'm worried about is the lack of emphasis that seems to be placed; Android browser is missing a lot of html5 features (according to caniuse.com it only supports 66% of current features in Android 4.0). Mozilla, on the other hand, seems to be making mobile a priority with all of the work they are doing in WebAPI. Their browser is updating a lot faster than Android's, which…

OS upgrades that a lot of Android users don't get. If I want to get an up to date browser on my Nexus One, I have to use Firefox... as Google said they no longer support the phone.

iOS users are in the same boat, but Apple has been providing much more support to older devices.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android's browser isn't nearly as good as Chrome or Firefox and only gets updated with the OS (which means never, for most phones).

Starting with ICS it is Chrome.

And lots of users won't even get ICS. Galaxy S, Galaxy Tab 7", Nexus One, etc.

Re: We and Mozilla are working together to make the web awesome

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Google has said from the beginning that the purpose of Chrome was to move the web forward, not compete with other browsers, and I had forgotten that.

This is not Chrome's purpose. Everything between the user and the monetization mechanism (advertisement) is strategic to Google. It just doesn't sound as warm and fuzzy when they say it like that.
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