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I don’t want to be an internet person

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Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by Loughla »

Ensorceled wrote: post #158

I grew up a geek in a rural area, learning how to filter conversations for your audience was a critical skill. Topics and conversational style amongst my D&D group was very different than amongst my other high school classmates and very different than when at my summer jobs. This is just an article about people who never learned that skill. I'm reminded of a few moments in my life that drove this home ... A coworker…

I grew up very geek in a VERY rural area. I knew that there were places that I could be me, where I could be "country" me, and where I could be me "for adults". I learned that the me what I was, was also super unacceptable once I entered the world of higher education. I had to be "smart" me.

Then in my undergraduate degree, I learned about code switching in the context of Mexican-American children of immigrants. And it hit hard.

I was code-switching, but within dialects inside of one language instead of within languages. I also learned in that class that EVERY student who grew up rural, poor, minority, or anything other than middle- to upper-middle class white had extremely similar experiences. It was absolutely shocking to 20 year old me.

To your point - this article absolutely reads like people who just never learned how to navigate different groups.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by rhacker »

pixl97 wrote: post #62
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not pedantic at all. I've consciously decided I will favor Real Life over the Internet as much as possible. I really believe the meme that Nothing Happens On The Internet; it's a projection of the Real World and as people we are very susceptible to confusing the map for the territory. From the article: > You can close the computer, but the world will go on without you. Even if culture decides that the Internet…

Why not reverse it, I push a button on the computer and something falls out of the sky IRL. Your smart electric meter turns off. The water company shuts off your service. The internet is real life as much as you cannot tow a leaking oil tanker 'out of the environment'. People don't need the internet to be narcissistic, they've done that fine for thousands of years without it.

no, when you meet many grounded people they're helpful, want to help fix your tire, see if you're ok. Things have changed towards narcissism and unless you're older than 35 you probably can't see that.

pressing a button to have something fall into reality is another thing that creates narcissism. You don't see any of the people involved in getting that thing to you. You can start seeing the world as your personal slave at your bidding. Now for centuries, yes, there have been rich people that can do that. If we make that accessible to a LOT more people - everyone has a butler that they don't need to even talk to.

I don't know what I'm saying right now other than - the world is vastly different than it was pre-internet. It can't go back. Things are forever changed for the worst in some (most?) categories.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by clnq »

lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #160
joemazerino wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But when? The internet is much more dangerous now than it was in the late 90s.

I'm not entirely sure I agree. I mean, maybe I do. I think one could argue that the internet is a lot more moderated in this day and age, but maybe you were referring more to the addictive and destructive effects of social media. Do you care to elaborate?

Moderation seems to be best at getting rid of low-hanging fruit. There is much less easily accessible gore, shock and radical content online these days. But thanks to the very large scope of the internet, there's plenty of more insidious threats of the cultural (unsavory, doomer), physiological (dopamine-bombing scroll media, attention-grabbing content, personalized emotional manipulation by ads), and societal (dating/friendships moving online, echo-chambers, etc) nature.

Probably like the author of the comment you are responding to, I also grew up with the early pre-y2k internet. As a kid, I've seen some extremely disturbing thigns online that are burned into my memory until today. And yet they do not have as much impact on my life today as the terminally online society does.

It's hard to exactly quantify how our lives would be different if the internet never developed past it's 1990s state. But I feel strongly that they would be very different. Would my life be much different if I didn't see one or two unsavory images as a kid online? Probably not. Even when I was young, I had functional mental/emotional boundaries for that. On the other hand, as an adult, I still have to consciously stay away from doomscrolling because I know my brain has never evolved for that kind of abuse.

To sum up, moderation doesn't seem to target threats online that are actually dangerous. And they seem to have impacted our society tremendously from my perspective.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by Lammy »

> As Miya’s infamy grew, the proliferation of helpers—as well as copycat accounts

That's funny considering BPD_GOD already sounds like bootleg CHOBITCOIN. There is nothing new under the sun (and here's why that's a GOOD thing!!)

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by costco »

buildsjets wrote: post #28
throwaway32433 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://stylometry.net/user?username=causi You don't need to give out your name and address to be doxxed, there's enough information from your comments across your accounts to reasonably identify you if someone wanted. MIT did a study on 'anonymised' data and found out it only took something like 2 data points to identify someone.

Stylometry does not identify any of my alternate accounts. I ain't skeered.

It might have if I had used an algorithm that wasn’t the easiest to implement on stylometry.net. Unless you are varying your writing style across accounts a more sophisticated algorithm could very likely figure out your alts given enough comments. Which is not to say that you should give up everything and stop posting on HN but just something to consider depending on who your adversaries are.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by rideontime »

dinobones wrote: post #150

What a boring article. Let people live how they want to live. Just because you don't like their lifestyle/personality/way of living doesn't mean you get to act like you're better than them.

It's a boring article because it's about boring people, who try to pretend they aren't boring.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by rideontime »

jrm4 wrote: post #90

Author seems a little too close? For me, the big takeaway is how it represents the superficiality that happens here? Like, this whole thing wants to be genuinely cool/Gibson-ish, but I can't get over the banality of it all. I was poking around some of the content and it's just so blah, in terms of how they're just taking a laundry list of every hot button issue and then asking, "okay, how can I troll it?" -- revealin…

IDK, it's even more damning that someone who wanted to believe couldn't bring herself to do so.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by bradneuberg »

ipaddr wrote: post #115
throwaway4aday wrote: post #38

I'm pretty sure this generalizes to everything. People who cultivate a persona in any sub-culture or domain seem to be a fish out of water when confronted in a different context. Take someone from the rave scene and plop them down in a microbrewery bar and everyone will gawk at the brightly colored fidgety person that has no idea what to order. Take a polished SV entrepreneur and deposit them in an Idaho roadhouse an…

BBS meetups weren't really like that. You had young/old mismatched people who could communicate because life wasn't online back then.

I remember being a young 14 year old going to BBS meetups full of big bearded Unix and radio wizards, was definitely awkward AF.
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