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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by kaesar14 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #595
robotresearcher wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it doesn't feel that way right now, but there is probably no time in history where racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, religious hatred, slavery, etc. were less normalized than right now. These things are sadly all too common, there's lots of work to do, and we must not be complacent about past successes. But when I was a kid, homosexuality was illegal. Twenty years ago gay fear and stupid women were typical…

You're looking at a tiny elite slice of the modern West (I mean, sitcoms? Seriously?) and taking it as representative of the whole world. There's probably a whole lot more homophobia, misogyny and religious hatred now in some highly religious countries than there was 25 years ago or so. And the Internet is even less representative.

By an absolute quantity or an absolute measure? I daresay at least in India, the toleration for homosexuality, women, and general non-conformity is quite higher than it used to be. Casteism and religious hatred still exists in great quantity but has it improved relative to 1950? Probably? Things are not perfect but you’re underrating how awful they used to be.

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Post by lefrenchy »

somedude895 wrote: post #277
azangru wrote: post #45

This passage from the abstract: > Moreover, they can be viewed as the 21st century expression of a culture-bound stress reaction of our post-modern society emphasizing the uniqueness of individuals and valuing their alleged exceptionality, thus promoting attention-seeking behaviours and aggravating the permanent identity crisis of modern man. is rather peculiar. I didn't expect that this is how neurologists and neuro…

I agree. It is a bit weird to see such subjective takes and cultural pessimism in an article like this. Hadn't noticed it the first time around, probably due to my own biases. So thanks for pointing it out.

Isn’t this kind of a social and cultural phenomenon though? It can’t be explained by means of a physical infection right, so it makes sense they have to reach for potential social or cultural answers?

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Post by hezralig »

throwayyy479087 wrote: post #539

I can think of another social contagion that’s exploded in the last 5 years. However, those that have it are above all criticism except in TERF spaces.

You are completely right that TERFism is an issue. It certainly has a rapid onset and has been shown to be a pathway to white supremacy.

Terfism is a phenomenon where individuals who have previously identified as feminists or LGBT allies to suddenly adopt trans-exclusionary beliefs and begin to oppose the rights and dignity of transgender people. It also describes individuals who have undergone a sudden and dramatic change in their beliefs about transgender people who aren't feminists, often as a result of exposure to extremist or hateful ideas.

It certainly has been seen as a manifestation of prejudice and bigotry and is one of the reasons this commenter is using an anonymous account.

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Post by faeriechangling »

reb wrote: post #558
fleddr wrote: post #535

The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…

The times we live in are absolutely brutal for people who struggle with diversity of belief (wherever they are on the sociopolitical spectrum). Never before has an individual had so many perspectives to contend with at once. It breaks a lot of people in different ways, although I think people who can navigate the noise without losing their sense of self are better for the experience. Still, it's impossible to deny th…

I’ve absolutely met people especially with limited language skills who get confused and frustrated by all these complicated concepts they’re expected to understand to simply not be accused of being hateful.

Not to be too Orwellian, but I’ve often wondered why nobody say, talks about removing gendered pronouns altogether in formal speech instead of adding 50 new ones for instance. People seem to only talk about adding new words and concepts.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #599
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #565

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I'm quite sceptical of these studies. I don't see how you control for the fact that couples who stay together are happier on average. That's why they're still together(at least some of the time), whereas divorcees are by definition not happy together. To have a proper comparison you need to compare divorced parents to married, but miserable parents. Growing up with the latter can be just as miserable or possibly even…

You don't need to control for that. We're looking at total outcomes, not individual points; it doesn't matter how it reaches the effect. Here's a proposition: Learning to make compromises and achieve partnership with your partner and growing into it is the behavior most associated with happiness of couples. Having removed the obvious necessity of it, we've created a society with much more focus on individual wants an…

That's a very nice just-so story, no doubt carefully constructed to fit your world view.

Now, a vague reference to "studies" and a biased just-so story might convince you but I'm far from convinced by this.

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Post by reb »

faeriechangling wrote: post #604
reb wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The times we live in are absolutely brutal for people who struggle with diversity of belief (wherever they are on the sociopolitical spectrum). Never before has an individual had so many perspectives to contend with at once. It breaks a lot of people in different ways, although I think people who can navigate the noise without losing their sense of self are better for the experience. Still, it's impossible to deny th…

I’ve absolutely met people especially with limited language skills who get confused and frustrated by all these complicated concepts they’re expected to understand to simply not be accused of being hateful. Not to be too Orwellian, but I’ve often wondered why nobody say, talks about removing gendered pronouns altogether in formal speech instead of adding 50 new ones for instance. People seem to only talk about adding…

Yep, turns out people of all sorts can be assholes, even to folks who are making a good faith effort to navigate a changing world.

That said, I think your Orwellian concerns might reflect your personal media consumption more than the state of our changing world. People do talk about removing gendered pronouns (see: nonbinary people), and the vast majority of transgender people are attempting to assimilate into the existing man/woman gender model rather than pushing a complex system of new words and concepts. As I'm sure you're aware, both of those approaches have proven controversial and generated quite a bit of backlash, sometimes violently so.

Not everyone is cut out for a world filled with people who don't think like them. Unfortunately that's the world we live in, so we all get to figure out what to do about it.

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Post by hotpotamus »

throwaway743 wrote: post #449
hotpotamus wrote: post #419

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30 Rock had a good example of the whole act https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-ZF9AfN40

Off topic, but Hannibal rules

Yeah, that was a bonus to the clip that I'm quite aware of lol. He was a writer on that show and occasionally cameoed as the homeless guy.

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Post by solarmist »

OJFord wrote: post #536
boyanlevchev wrote: post #476

A freaky thing that this paper doesn’t mention is that in some cases these tics have gotten so extreme, that one patient began having almost constant seizures and became wheelchair-bound. Imagine being “infected” by watching a video on TikTok! It sounds like a horror movie. From The Guardian: “Over the next few weeks, Wacek noticed that she was having tics. “They were just little noises,” she says. “Nothing to write…

They write 'people with FND have a condition that cannot be medically explained' as though it's just insufficient research, not understood yet. 'FND' is just polite for 'all in your head'. This article reads like 'they're being treated with a drug called Placebo'.

Panic attacks are all in your head too. You’ve obviously never had one or seen someone go through one.

Your brain is an organ just like other organs. If it starts malfunctioning it can cause serious even life threatening problems.

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Post by robotresearcher »

zozbot234 wrote: post #595
robotresearcher wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it doesn't feel that way right now, but there is probably no time in history where racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, religious hatred, slavery, etc. were less normalized than right now. These things are sadly all too common, there's lots of work to do, and we must not be complacent about past successes. But when I was a kid, homosexuality was illegal. Twenty years ago gay fear and stupid women were typical…

You're looking at a tiny elite slice of the modern West (I mean, sitcoms? Seriously?) and taking it as representative of the whole world. There's probably a whole lot more homophobia, misogyny and religious hatred now in some highly religious countries than there was 25 years ago or so. And the Internet is even less representative.

Do you think Asia and Africa don’t have sitcoms?
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