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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by nsxwolf »

boyanlevchev wrote: post #476

A freaky thing that this paper doesn’t mention is that in some cases these tics have gotten so extreme, that one patient began having almost constant seizures and became wheelchair-bound. Imagine being “infected” by watching a video on TikTok! It sounds like a horror movie. From The Guardian: “Over the next few weeks, Wacek noticed that she was having tics. “They were just little noises,” she says. “Nothing to write…

This reminds me of "Blipverts" on the 80s TV show "Max Headroom". TV commercials that were so stimulating they would cause some viewers to explode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekg45ub8bsk

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Post by zozbot234 »

beckon69 wrote: post #474
LawTalkingGuy wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. Please do not make this a partisan issue. Some of us have been following the sexually regressive trend of calling our children's bodies defective and broken because they don't match the viewers' sexual stereotypes for quite a while now, and there was pretty widespread consensus across political and religious ideologies that our kids didn't need surgery to be okay.…

I appreciated this thoughtful response (rebuttal) to OP. I agree with your concept of "back in the 00s you'd never have a teacher scold a child for using wrong-sex clothes/toys because we'd largely gotten rid of the concept". This dovetails into one of the paradox's of the trans-adjacent ideology that I haven't been able to square in my own head, which is that transitioning genders is predicated on strong gender norm…

Even weirder is how those who don't acknowledge traditional societal ideas of gender roles are being directed to adopt an identity of their own: "non-binary" or "genderfluid". So the strong gender norms have now become a thoroughly self-reinforcing cycle: even if you disagree with them, you're just treated and reassigned in accordance with these same norms.

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Post by fncivivue7 »

goda90 wrote: post #371

Stuff like this makes me wonder if taboo and stigma "evolved" in societies as defense against the spread of behavior that could cause a breakdown of social order. For example, if something like dancing mania[0] got out of hand, then important jobs could be left undone and people starve or whatever. So if the notion that such behavior is bad is drilled into everyone's mind before being exposed, then they are more like…

I've been starting to think the bible and other religions have their place due to this. Plot people on a bell curve, that's a lot of people that can't grasp basic nuance and critical reasoning.

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

goda90 wrote: post #371

Stuff like this makes me wonder if taboo and stigma "evolved" in societies as defense against the spread of behavior that could cause a breakdown of social order. For example, if something like dancing mania[0] got out of hand, then important jobs could be left undone and people starve or whatever. So if the notion that such behavior is bad is drilled into everyone's mind before being exposed, then they are more like…

There's no need for convoluted explanations. A good taboo, understood as a restriction on certain kinds of behavior or speech at least in certain circumstances, exists to protect some good. It's the same reason (or one of the reasons) we partition our houses into rooms by purpose. Human flourishing requires certain limits, not letting it all hang out. The latter is more akin to the liberal notion of freedom understood as "do what thou wilt" and limitless indulgence of the appetites and desires. The classical understanding of freedom is the ability to do what you ought. Guess which leads to happiness and which leads to misery.

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Post by wussboy »

lisper wrote: post #355
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #34

From my reading of the article (which is hard to parse not being an expert) it seems there is a German YouTuber with Tourette's who also on his YouTube shows displays non-tourette's tics. And these tics are being copied by other young people watching his shows, and being presented as Tourette's until they arrive at the clinic where these experts go "hang on this kid does not have Tourette's but does have tics similar…

It's plausible [1] [2]. I am by all accounts neurotypical (except perhaps for a touch of Aspergers) but I have an involuntary tic. Every now and then (like once or twice a week) a memory of some incredibly stupid thing that I once did -- sometimes decades ago -- will pop into my head and before I can re-establish conscious control I'll make a vocalization that sounds like a cross between a whimper and a sneeze. It's…

I had a significant tic, and found profound relief through Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). I strongly recommend "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life".

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Post by riskable »

dpc050505 wrote: post #402
winReInstall wrote: post #14

Imagine you start the same trend, but everyone tries for once to contribute something science wise original to society, so the problem is real, but the potential is greater. Now comes the part, were advertisers try to create sociogenic illnesses that spread theire product/brands information. We can also skip directly to the part, were we mourn the youtfull ideals of a idea, taken over by scammers.

>were advertisers try to create sociogenic illnesses that spread theire product/brands information. I can think of a lot of advertising jingles that work this way.

    Plop plop
    Fizz fizz
    Oh how like Tourette's it is

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Post by labrador »

RankingMember wrote: post #468
labrador wrote: post #465

I picked up a mental weirdness from the internet and now can't get rid of it: Trypophobia. I never experienced anything like it until Trypophobia was trending a few years back. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21834-trypoph...

It was that awful seed pod boob photoshop image that did it to you too, wasn't it?

Awful doesn't even begin to describe those images. There's a another phobia transmitted by the internet, but I'm immune to it: Thalassophobia. There's even a reddit group dedicated to it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/thalassophobia/

There's a group allegedly devoted to trypophobia. I say allegedly because I refuse to click on the link:

https://old.reddit.com/r/trypophobia/

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Post by CadmiumYellow »

air7 wrote: post #242

This reminded me of the Dancing Plague[0] that happened in medieval Europe. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania

Wow I thought "choreomania" was just the name of a Florence and the Machine song...this is crazy...

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by maxbond »

pessimizer wrote: post #443
maxbond wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either it is a real issue, in which case, we should have a discussion about it. Or it is not a real issue, in which case, it is not worth vagueposting about. Taking the most charitable interpretation, this creates cover for dog whistling while not adding to the conversation. The other possibility is that it is dog whistling in order to promote bigotry.

So either discuss it directly and be a bigot, talk around it and be a bigot, or silence all discussion about it and be a hero.

There's no heroes and no villains here, but if someone has got something bigoted to say, then they should dispose of their waste or surrender the restroom. It doesn't make it any more or less bigoted to be circumspect, it only makes it difficulty to have a proper discussion. If they believe what they have to say isn't bigoted, they should take courage in their convictions and speak their mind. If they're punished in a way that's unfair, then that's something with bringing to the community's attention. If they don't actually have confidence in their convictions, maybe their ideas need some more time to develop before they're comfortable sharing them (and maybe the reason they're uncomfortable is that there's a problem).

I'm not trying to silence anyone, when people vaguepost, clearly there's something on their mind, and I'm inviting them to express it.

Do you think that's an unfair position for me to take? What I see is that they did say what was on their mind, we had a substantive discussion, no one got flagged, no one got banned, their comment isn't even gray. The reports of HN being hostile to this discussion are greatly overstated.

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