Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy • Hacker News Board

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by WeWin » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 11:32 AM UTC

mustpax wrote: post #18

WeWin wrote: post #16

In a longer run this may not look as good for Wikipedia as it does now. It shows that they are willing to sacrifice their cultural values, particularly neutrality, for other impromptu values that Jimmy sees fit to promote. It also shows that they are willing to turn on their business partners and screw them. This is the logical next step part of a much longer trend on Wikipedia, that of the solidification of power in…

Neutrality does not require passivity and inaction. In fact, it requires that you actively distance yourself from politicized parties so that your neutrality is not called into question. GoDaddy has, of their own accord, become a politicized party in the SOPA debate. It is altogether reasonable for Wikipedia to choose not to be involved with them.

So has Wikipedia: they could have just dropped GoDaddy without saying a word, that would have been neutral. Publicly proclaiming you severing business ties for a politically-charged reason is just bad business.

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by kachnuv_ocasek » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 11:45 AM UTC

Canada wrote: post #15

ellie42 wrote: post #5

Will GitHub boycott GoDaddy because of their support for SOPA?

That would be great. Maybe there should be a new open source software license featuring total denial of rights to use to the MPAA/RIAA member companies too.

No, that would be bad. If open, it should allow everyone. The goal is to unite not segregate after all.

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by adamtmca » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 11:56 AM UTC

Canada wrote: post #14

I donated to Wikipedia as a direct result of their decision to dump GoDaddy. I spent a good chunk of my day lobbying those I know with tons of domanis at GoDaddy to dump them immediately.

hell of a username. do it justice.

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by bborud » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 12:39 PM UTC

Are there any good estimates on how much GoDaddy has lost because of their support for SOPA?

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by VMG » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 12:54 PM UTC

kachnuv_ocasek wrote: post #22

Canada wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be great. Maybe there should be a new open source software license featuring total denial of rights to use to the MPAA/RIAA member companies too.

No, that would be bad. If open, it should allow everyone. The goal is to unite not segregate after all.

The goal is to unite not segregate after all

Who says that? Why should you unite with your enemy?

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by aw3c2 » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 1:02 PM UTC

VMG wrote: post #25

kachnuv_ocasek wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that would be bad. If open, it should allow everyone. The goal is to unite not segregate after all.

The goal is to unite not segregate after all Who says that? Why should you unite with your enemy?

Basic of free speech means allowing hateful stuff too. The more you forbid the less free it is (whatever "it" is).

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by mryan » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 1:04 PM UTC

GigabyteCoin wrote: post #7

Wikipedia used GoDaddy, period? I'm surprised they were able to function as they do, seriously. Not poking fun at anybody here.

There is a difference between registering your domain with GoDaddy, and using GoDaddy's DNS servers. The wikipedia.org domain is (currently) registered with GoDaddy. Wikipedia run their own DNS servers.

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by lhnz » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 1:11 PM UTC

WeWin wrote: post #21

mustpax wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neutrality does not require passivity and inaction. In fact, it requires that you actively distance yourself from politicized parties so that your neutrality is not called into question. GoDaddy has, of their own accord, become a politicized party in the SOPA debate. It is altogether reasonable for Wikipedia to choose not to be involved with them.

So has Wikipedia: they could have just dropped GoDaddy without saying a word, that would have been neutral. Publicly proclaiming you severing business ties for a politically-charged reason is just bad business.

I don't see that as bad business. Wikipedia requires neutrality. SOPA is anti-neutrality. Can you really imagine sites like Wikipedia existing in a post-SOPA universe?

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by vacri » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 1:26 PM UTC

chuinard wrote: post #3

It's interesting that they're being criticized. One of the three responses on the page (the other two being positive) is: "This is an overtly political decision. Poor form."

It is a political decision, but it is directly related to an issue that could spell doom for wikipedia. Non-profits still get to have a say in issues that relate to their own survival.

Re: Wikipedia will be leaving GoDaddy

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Post by vacri » Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 1:28 PM UTC

WeWin wrote: post #21

mustpax wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neutrality does not require passivity and inaction. In fact, it requires that you actively distance yourself from politicized parties so that your neutrality is not called into question. GoDaddy has, of their own accord, become a politicized party in the SOPA debate. It is altogether reasonable for Wikipedia to choose not to be involved with them.

So has Wikipedia: they could have just dropped GoDaddy without saying a word, that would have been neutral. Publicly proclaiming you severing business ties for a politically-charged reason is just bad business.

"publicly proclaiming" is 'as discussed in our own online spaces where we came up with the decision'? Do you have evidence of wikipedia seeking out other media to promote their decision?