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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by jrochkind1 »

Destitute wrote: post #182
jrochkind1 wrote: post #164

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> Adjustable vocals: Users now have control over a song’s vocal levels. They can sing with the original artist vocals, take the lead, or mix it up on millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog. Everyone I know would call that karaoke. And I assume will when telling their friends about this new feature. If I search for Apple Sing on google news, the first 5 articles all call it "karaoke-like" or just "a karaoke feat…

When I think karaoke, I think microphone. It appears this makes no use of a microphone or captures the singer's vocals in any way, it just isolates the instrumental tracks and eliminates or reduces the vocal track. A microphone (and ideally having your own vocals mixed with the audio output) is the core feature of karaoke, not playing an instrumental version of the song.

And yet most media coverage I can find of the Apple Music Sing release uses the word karaoke to describe it, thinking that will be clear to their readers. I would feel safe saying your opinion is a minority one.

But this has become a pretty silly "debate".

Me, I'm still curious why Apple did not use the word karaoke, and do not myself think it's becuase they don't think people will consider it karaoke, but I understand you do, cool.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by puglr »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #48
joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

I came here with that question, why don't they call this karaoke? Wondered if "karaoke" is trademarked? (or patented?!) It doesn't seem to me likely that they didn't think their audience would know the word "karaoke" at this point, but I don't know.

I spent a couple years on the YouTube Music team, adjacent to the folks who handled the nightmare that is music rights and licensing.

It was explained to me that the reason YouTube didn't offer a karaoke feature -- despite having licenses to a lot of lyrics -- is that karaoke is considered a separate license.

Even if you license both the recording and the lyrics, combining them into a karaoke feature isn't on the table by default.

I personally have no idea how accurate that is, but this was the scoop I got from those in a position of authority.

If it is indeed true, then perhaps that is a factor in Apple's decision not to use that word.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by gfxgirl »

Y-bar wrote: post #129
racl101 wrote: post #82

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Cause Karaoke has cheesy or corny perception. Have you ever seen those cringe looking karaoke CD compilations of famous songs. They always look cheap. And if Apple knows anything is how to market / rebrand the same old shit and sell it to the masses at really marked up prices for profit.

Even to an introvert like me, the cheesiness and being corny is part of what makes karaoke so good, it has an automatic atmosphere where you are allowed to do badly because we can all laugh at ourselves. Polish and perfection makes this less appealing to me. Makes it feel up-tight and a bit snobby.

for me, I can't sing along if it's not close to the original because my brain remembers every tick of the original and wants to match the key of the original as well.

Also, I had a friend who got addicted to Smule which is an online sing duets with random strangers. It uses auto-tune so that anyone can enjoy themselves. I never tried it but he said it was amazing and he got a ton of joy from it.

Me, I like the idea that I can show off my amazing singing skills so if this auto-tunes everyone then that will go away. On the other hand, it's always been frustrating that box style karaoke places rarely have a large selection of western music (most of them are targeting the subset of their local market that would actually to got a box style karaoke place). My hope is that with this more of them will support just using the room as a place to use this service and then my friends and I can sing from a larger variety of songs.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by gfxgirl »

hunter2_ wrote: post #106
joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

Karaoke is where some other artist performs and records the song, without vocals, in the style of whoever popularized the song. This Apple feature seems to be where the same popular recording gets used, which has vocals, and then some magic processing reduces the vocals. There has always been software to sorta-kinda suppress vocals from existing recordings, but it usually ends up sounding like trash (artifacts of all…

This not remotely true. There are plenty of karaoke songs that are the original recording from the original artist. At least in Japan, where the word "karaoke" originates

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by beaker52 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #194
misterprime wrote: post #177

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The at-home karaoke experience is pretty horrible. Companies put a high price tag on access to limited catalogs with hit and miss quality. Oftentimes, the musical bed is low quality midi music and the lyrics may or may not be timed properly. I'm thrilled to see this announcement and will likely buy my first Apple TV because of it and switch my Pandora subscription to Apple Music.

> The at-home karaoke experience is pretty horrible As long as you have a 0 latency Mic setup then just that and YouTube searching Karaoke versions with AdBlocker works beautifully.

This is what my wife and I do, it’s pretty flawless. YouTube + Mic & mixer to a separate speaker. It’s the only way, and YouTube has the best karaoke.

Routing the mic through your AV setup _will_ result in a delay which’ll make for a horrible experience. So don’t bother. Get a cheap mixer and a decentish Shure mic, a single active studio monitor and you’re away.

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Post by vlunkr »

lilyball wrote: post #269
vlunkr wrote: post #208

Here's a question, is it copyright infringement to serve modified versions of a song? We know that attempts to censor movies have not held up in court, how is this different? Did all the publishers agree to this in their contract with Apple?

They're not serving modified versions of the song.

Removing or lowing the volume of the song is definitely a modification.

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Post by diebeforei485 »

hrrsn wrote: post #252
diebeforei485 wrote: post #89

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Perhaps that is why it's not available on Mac. Of course people can still rip it off an iPhone/iPad through the "analog hole" via the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter

djay Pro AI has had this feature for a while now - https://www.algoriddim.com/neural-mix It works pretty well on Mac

But Djay Pro doesn't work with Apple Music (the streaming service) or Spotify.

It does work with music you have purchased on iTunes.

So it's an IP issue. It also works with the higher tiers of TIDAL or SoundCloud - https://help.algoriddim.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012493060-W...

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by rodgerd »

joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

Possibly they don't want to clash with people who sell actual karaoke games, either on Apple devices or elsewhere.

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Post by ramses0 »

puglr wrote: post #272
jrochkind1 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here with that question, why don't they call this karaoke? Wondered if "karaoke" is trademarked? (or patented?!) It doesn't seem to me likely that they didn't think their audience would know the word "karaoke" at this point, but I don't know.

I spent a couple years on the YouTube Music team, adjacent to the folks who handled the nightmare that is music rights and licensing. It was explained to me that the reason YouTube didn't offer a karaoke feature -- despite having licenses to a lot of lyrics -- is that karaoke is considered a separate license. Even if you license both the recording and the lyrics, combining them into a karaoke feature isn't on the tab…

It's "simply" an "AI" EQ preset adjuster using the existing licensing/sale/broadcast rights. /s
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