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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by yamtaddle »

Closi wrote: post #112
GaryPalmer wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you need a dedicated chip for any of that?

Seems like it is powered by: > [...] an on-device machine learning algorithm that can process music in real time Their latest apple TV includes the A15 which includes a 'neural engine' for ML, and this is also included in their latest iPhone / iPad, so that might be part of it.

The divide in expectations is funny. Non-Apple-user: "ML stuff? Must be 'in the cloud'." Apple user: "ML stuff? Must use a special chip in the device."

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

More likely they're falling victim to their own insistence that the past doesn't matter and OS fragmentation.

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Post by reaperducer »

racl101 wrote: post #105
sixothree wrote: post #32

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I had a hard time understanding what they are offering as well and came here to find out. Is this for people in the same room? If so, maybe some vague reference to karaoke is merited. Is it for sharing with other people over the internet? edit: ultimately I could care less (but not by much) about using it; I am just curious about what they offer and how they compete.

Yeah, even if executed well, who is this for? I know the last thing I want is for some random person to sing the song we're all listening to given that most people can't sing. I find myself usually telling the kids in the car to pipe down and let the artist sing. So I'm really interested in understanding the demo for this feature.

I find myself usually telling the kids in the car to pipe down and let the artist sing.

It seems that your kids are the intended target.

Kids love to sing along with music. You've already discovered that.

You must not have 10 to 12-year-old girls. Put a couple of them in a room, and eventually they'll start singing.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

misterprime wrote: post #177
joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

The at-home karaoke experience is pretty horrible. Companies put a high price tag on access to limited catalogs with hit and miss quality. Oftentimes, the musical bed is low quality midi music and the lyrics may or may not be timed properly. I'm thrilled to see this announcement and will likely buy my first Apple TV because of it and switch my Pandora subscription to Apple Music.

> The at-home karaoke experience is pretty horrible

As long as you have a 0 latency Mic setup then just that and YouTube searching Karaoke versions with AdBlocker works beautifully.

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Post by yamtaddle »

zorrolovsky wrote: post #80
pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

> either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy. Pushing users to upgrade devices is unethical and harmful. Apple does it all the time and they should be held accountable for that. Discarding old devices and creating new ones destroys the environment and increases pollution. The best device is the device you already own! Their successful busines…

> Pushing users to upgrade devices is unethical and harmful. Apple does it all the time and they should be held accountable for that.

Huh. Long-time Apple user and my experience is they're really good about supporting older hardware, including when that hardware can't support the newest features. Usually (not always, but usually) if an older device doesn't get a feature, it's because it can't, but they keep getting updates anyway, just without the features they cannot support. That's the trade-off for more features being local-only or local-mostly rather than "cloud".

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by CrypticShift »

batesy wrote: post #49
colmmacc wrote: post #11

This looks really cool, and it'll be interesting to see how artists and producers react. Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vocal track. Although it's possible to isolate vocals some of the time from mixes, using stereo separation (the vocals are often the only component that is 100% center mixed), filtering, and even AI techniques ... none are perfect. I wonder if this will have the…

Serato just released Stems, which allows DJs to isolate drums, bassline, vocals in the tracks they are playing live. The algos are getting pretty damn good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Wy9szxU3A

And this is real-time (Like the apple sing). So it is a game changer for DJs (usability-wise)

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Post by tsimionescu »

Destitute wrote: post #182
jrochkind1 wrote: post #164

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> Adjustable vocals: Users now have control over a song’s vocal levels. They can sing with the original artist vocals, take the lead, or mix it up on millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog. Everyone I know would call that karaoke. And I assume will when telling their friends about this new feature. If I search for Apple Sing on google news, the first 5 articles all call it "karaoke-like" or just "a karaoke feat…

When I think karaoke, I think microphone. It appears this makes no use of a microphone or captures the singer's vocals in any way, it just isolates the instrumental tracks and eliminates or reduces the vocal track. A microphone (and ideally having your own vocals mixed with the audio output) is the core feature of karaoke, not playing an instrumental version of the song.

The whole point is that you can sing with it, which implies it can capture your voice in some way, even if you aren't holding a microphone.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by snotrockets »

brookst wrote: post #122
jaywalk wrote: post #97

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They don't state anything explicitly referring to real-time processing of the songs. As a matter of fact, calling out "millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog" actually makes it seem like the adjustable vocals will only be available on certain songs that they've added support for.

It's hard for me to imagine they'd do something special to support "millions of songs" while excluding others, since the entire catalog is ~100m songs. My guess is that it's entirely dynamic. It's hard to imagine the complexity of doing batch processing to render each song in the library, and maintain that as new songs are uploaded, and update the renders for software improvements. Better to just do it realtime. And…

They do something special: get the necessary sign offs from legal. Apple‘s license for some content may bar it from being used that way (that’s another reason for doing it on device: could be different situation as far legal & licensing are concerned)
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