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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by crazygringo »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

It's not explicit, but from the descriptions it seems to suggest it's performing recognition of the audio streams of what's being sung, and even supports dual streams for duets.

So I wouldn't be surprised if it relies on a particular hardware chip that the older Apple TV simply doesn't have. That has definitely been the case for everything Apple has launched with regards to Spatial Audio.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#32

Post by sixothree »

joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

I had a hard time understanding what they are offering as well and came here to find out. Is this for people in the same room? If so, maybe some vague reference to karaoke is merited. Is it for sharing with other people over the internet?

edit: ultimately I could care less (but not by much) about using it; I am just curious about what they offer and how they compete.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#33

Post by WXLCKNO »

yunohn wrote: post #25
hamburglar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

What’s the reasoning behind leaving out the word “karaoke”?

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Re: Apple Music Sing

#34

Post by dagmx »

yunohn wrote: post #25
hamburglar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

What’s the reasoning behind leaving out the word “karaoke”?

Perhaps it implies use in a commercial karaoke bar setting which often are dubious for licensing music.

It also might imply perfect vocal removal, which they aren’t guaranteeing.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#35

Post by factsarelolz »

yunohn wrote: post #25
hamburglar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

What’s the reasoning behind leaving out the word “karaoke”?

Probably because Apple doesn't want it advertising to look like:

"Hey we just added a cultural pastime as a feature!"

There are some that could twist this feature into "Apple profiting off of cultural appropriation".

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by WXLCKNO »

WXLCKNO wrote: post #33
yunohn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the reasoning behind leaving out the word “karaoke”?

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Wow I was making shit up but the real invention is actually quite close.

"The world's first karaoke machine, the Juke-8, was built by Japanese inventor and musician Daisuke Inoue in 1971. But it is Filipino inventor Roberto del Rosario who holds the machine's patent. He developed the Karaoke Sing-Along System in 1975."

Re: Apple Music Sing

#37

Post by thakoppno »

hamburglar wrote: post #20
joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

License agreements often forbid things similar to “adjustable vocals.” It would be interesting to learn if this is achieved with technology, like automatic stemming, or through partnership agreements that provide vocal tracks separately for adjustment.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#38

Post by rhplus »

yunohn wrote: post #25
hamburglar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

What’s the reasoning behind leaving out the word “karaoke”?

At a guess:

1) Perhaps they don’t want to trigger a different licensing model (on either the music or the lyrics) that applies specifically to karaoke devices and venues. Just a guess, not a music lawyer, but all sorts of unexpected terms apply to music licensing (such as streaming TV services not being able to use music from the original TV broadcast) 2) Perhaps they don’t want to associate with the karaoke “brand” which some users might perceive as kitschy or low-quality (have you ever seen a karaoke video?)

Re: Apple Music Sing

#39

Post by alewi481 »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

It seems that limiting new headline software features to the latest hardware release is the direction that Apple is going lately. The most recent examples that comes to mind are the always-on display in the new iPhone 14 and the hover mode in the new iPad Pro.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#40

Post by iicc »

sudhirj wrote: post #2

My daughter is going to love this. Can anyone make out if songs like this are specially mastered with separate vocal channels? I’m guessing they’re not minus ones that someone else has arranged and played. If these are coming from the original artist it’ll be interesting to know if they’re being uploaded as separate vocal channels or if Apple is applying ML to do voice isolation. Do any audio file formats support sep…

>Can anyone make out if songs like this are specially mastered with separate vocal channels ... or if Apple is applying ML to do voice isolation

"Coupled with an ever-expanding catalog that features tens of millions of the world’s most singable songs"

"The vocal slider adjusts vocal volume, but does not fully remove vocals"

Based on the quantity and results it's ML like Spleeter (https://research.deezer.com/projects/spleeter.html).

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