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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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I have anecdotally noticed this too. My university went 6 years without a suicide, and then had 3 highly publicized suicides over the year. They then put in a lot of effort to bury it as much as possible, students went home for the summer, and the university had a few suicide-free years right after

those suicides could also be Black Swan events, very rare, nothing done actually did anything. But human behavior is weird, so who knows.

Unfortunately I knew 2/3, and it was well known to be due to the risk of failing a course. Now the university makes sure that no-one knows if there was suicide note and the details of they committed suicide.

The eerie thing was the fact that they all killed themselves in exactly the same way. (hanging off a the ceiling)

But ofc, the plural of anecdotes is not data. There I agree with you.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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This is the next big area of research in social sciences. You must research this for national security reasons. Early research came in with the idea of mirror neurons but it went further. Statistically you're always going to have 'hot spots' for suicide. # per capita etc. So governments trying to help setup suicide hotlines. Not much uptake on this. So they advertised the suicide hotline and suddenly has mass suicide…

> How about all the kids suddenly becoming trans? Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend. "all the kids" are not suddenly becoming trans - the incident rates in society are still extremely small. All rises in incidents of transgenderism are easily explained…

> Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point.

Please do not make this a partisan issue. Some of us have been following the sexually regressive trend of calling our children's bodies defective and broken because they don't match the viewers' sexual stereotypes for quite a while now, and there was pretty widespread consensus across political and religious ideologies that our kids didn't need surgery to be okay.

> It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend.

That's circular. They need help because they're caught in a trend which ignores the actual issues in their lives (bullying, divorce, academics, etc) and provides a one-size-fits-all solution of body modification.

> All rises in incidents of transgenderism are easily explained by a more tolerant society accepting it. The same appeared when we stopped pathologizing left-handedness - all the kids didn't suddenly become left-handed, but the ones that were felt comfortable no longer hiding it.

This sounds compelling but is not accurate. Left-handedness is a testable "condition" whereas transgender is some adults' interpretation of how people and their genitals should look based on how they act, especially with regard to things the observer thinks of as sexualized, such as who plays with dolls. Society was getting more tolerant, back in the 00s you'd never have a teacher scold a child for using wrong-sex toys because we'd largely gotten rid of the concept. Now it's back and we're telling children their actions and desires are wrong, BUT we've got a surgical solution!

Fifteen years ago a boy could have worn a dress to elementary and wouldn't have socially risked anything worse than if they wore the wrong brand. Now they risk their teachers "helping" them make huge life decisions they can't even comprehend, and telling them to keep the discussions secret from their parents. That's a lot less accepting than it used to be.

> with some exceptions that get consistently magnified by those with an agenda, it is not something you can just do on a whim, and generally requires a lot of counselling and a lot of effort to pursue hormonal or surgical changes.

This isn't true, the fast track (affirmative care) is the only one allowed in most schools and clinics and by WPATH guidelines. Very rarely do teachers, counsellors, therapists, or health care providers pause to help children with preexisting issues before literally telling them that they're born incorrectly and offering solutions - even if those solutions (drugs and surgery) aren't always immediate.

> There are incidents of detransitioning and those that regret it. Those rates are lower than those that regret knee replacements.

This is not correct. There are no proper studies that follow medical transitioners long enough to usefully make that claim. The studies that exist have egregious failures such as not accounting for dropouts or controlling for comorbidities. And knee surgery is widely known to be almost ineffective for many people, making it an exceptionally misleading comparison.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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(content warning) It's not commonly discussed, but suicide seems to be a "sociogenic illness" in that reporting on suicides as such can cause more suicides. You may have noticed this in the reporting on celebrity deaths; a young person who "dies suddenly" may be suicide, but news reports will tend to avoid saying that out of concern for the sociogenic effects.

>It's not commonly discussed,

It absolutely is commonly discussed in mental health circles. Suicides cluster is a common theme among health experts. When you see one suicide among a target population (youth for example), you will commonly see multiples.

https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/resources/suicide-clusters.html

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Somewhere I already read about that. It's a fad. A youtuber shows Tourette's symptoms and people copy them. Perhaps it's like stimming. And you can't stop fads and stimming. We see that some people are annoyed. (shrugs)

You copy what's fun to you. That said, POMMES!

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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I wonder how similar this is to (sexy baby) valley girl upspeak & vocal fry. Many young women picked this up from the Kardashians/Paris Hilton and now cannot "turn it off". We know this is not their 'natural' voice because if you ask them to make weird sounds and then a normal voice, then their normal voice sounds completely different than the sexy baby voice. The weird thing is that the women themselves are surprise…

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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"Non-binary" is commonly described as a trans identity, and the word "trans" is etymologically related to "transition". If there really was nothing else to it than the truism that "gender is not merely a binary system but a spectrum", no one would be talking about non-binary as an identity of its own - since this has been a consensus POV for decades.

It is not tran[sition]gender. It is the "trans-" Latin prefix meaning "across", "beyond" or "on the other side of" + gender. In other words, people who moved on from the gender assigned to them at birth. Some non-binary people identify as transgender but not all of them do. Just like non-binary is both an umbrella term and a spicific gender identity, transgender is both an umbrella term and a specific gender identity…

> In other words, people who moved on from the gender assigned to them at birth.

Yes, and the Latin word trānseō (nominal form trānsitiō → English: transition) means exactly to "go on across", "go beyond". Trāns ("across, beyond") + eō, it ("I go, he/she/it goes") + tiō (→ English: "-tion"). It's a distinction without a difference.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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This is the next big area of research in social sciences. You must research this for national security reasons. Early research came in with the idea of mirror neurons but it went further. Statistically you're always going to have 'hot spots' for suicide. # per capita etc. So governments trying to help setup suicide hotlines. Not much uptake on this. So they advertised the suicide hotline and suddenly has mass suicide…

> How about all the kids suddenly becoming trans? Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend. "all the kids" are not suddenly becoming trans - the incident rates in society are still extremely small. All rises in incidents of transgenderism are easily explained…

>All rises in incidents of transgenderism are easily explained by a more tolerant society accepting it. The same appeared when we stopped pathologizing left-handedness - all the kids didn't suddenly become left-handed, but the ones that were felt comfortable no longer hiding it.

I think you are repeating talking points from John Oliver. If trans identifying people were evenly distributed among the population then it would appear a natural phenomenon. Unfortunately in some cases this is not true. Groups of young girls are coming out as trans together. Trans youth are clustered by social circle, not randomly distributed. Being trans is a legitimate identity but it is false to say that every single person who announces that they are trans is in fact trans.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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This is a straw man. 1. This is not a good faith representation of what trans people are arguing for; no one is saying that playing with dolls makes you trans. 2. Trans healthcare for kids does not involve surgery. Surgeries are not performed for people under the age of 18. Trans healthcare for kids largely involves letting them choose what clothes they wear, pronouns they use, perhaps changing their name. The most t…

> Trans healthcare for kids does not involve surgery. Surgeries are not performed for people under the age of 18.

Unfortunately that is not true.

There are surgeons who perform 'gender affirming' double mastectomies on girls as young as 13. This is documented in the medical literature.

The former CEO of Mermaids, a UK-based charity for children who identify as transgender, had her child castrated and given a penile inversion at the age of 16, by a surgeon who specializes in constructing 'neovaginas'.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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This is a good place to start - https://omny.fm/shows/revisionist-history/from-inside-voice-... Lake Bell asks the person to speak in their highest note and then their lowest note and then yodel for a couple of times. Then to asks her to just speak, and the voice that comes out much closer to what we associate with a 'normal' woman's voice. I guess having to manually change tone to such extremes resets the body's abi…

> resets the body's ability to recover this incredibly specific learnt behavior, and the person momentarily reverts to a clean sample of their own voice. What is one's "own voice?" Nearly all speech patterns, dialects, accents, patterns and phrasing is learned from one's social circle. Speech itself is "learnt behavior." It makes sense that those engaged in a subculture or online community may take up the way people…

Perhaps that is a difference of definition.

Your 'own voice' refers to the unaugmented tone from your vocal cords. It is distinct to you because that is your physiology.

To find the tone you can take a deep breath and sigh. You can hear your tone. You have to sigh like you mean it though and relax, let it out.

Uuuuuuuuhhhhh

Other than the resonance of you oronasal cavity, all other aspects are some type of learned behaviors/impediments

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