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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by rjbwork »

sgu999 wrote: post #401
rjbwork wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. I just say fuck and shake my head. Apparently this is rather normal behavior...

According to who? I have the same issue and it's annoying.

Well, there are a bunch of us in this thread, and I've heard many people talk about it over the years both IRL and elsewhere on the internet. Maybe "normal" is the wrong word, but it does seem to be exceedingly common.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/81b1345612c2c66153ac111e99d41b2...

https://www.thecut.com/article/how-to-stop-reliving-embarras...

https://harleytherapy.com/blog/posts/cringe-attacks

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Post by jamal-kumar »

screye wrote: post #395

I wonder how similar this is to (sexy baby) valley girl upspeak & vocal fry. Many young women picked this up from the Kardashians/Paris Hilton and now cannot "turn it off". We know this is not their 'natural' voice because if you ask them to make weird sounds and then a normal voice, then their normal voice sounds completely different than the sexy baby voice. The weird thing is that the women themselves are surprise…

That's just like a southern california accent at this point, even men talk like that somewhat over there [1]

[1] https://www.spreaker.com/user/7768747/california-accent-voca...

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

ejolto wrote: post #12
teekert wrote: post #6

It almost feels like gpt created literature when you start to read it, seemingly linking unrelated issues and concepts. But later in I became convinced it’s real and very interesting. Very meme-like, in the original definition of meme that is. A “virus” of the mind.

The last sentence of the abstract felt especially unnatural: > since spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as local communities or school environments spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as schools or towns.

I think someone's just been steeped in academia a little too long.

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Post by geocrasher »

Scarblac wrote: post #428
geocrasher wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about Seasonal Affective Disorder? Or can you define what SAD is if not?

From context my guess is Social Anxiety Disorder.

That makes more sense. Thanks.

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Post by polishdude20 »

goda90 wrote: post #371

Stuff like this makes me wonder if taboo and stigma "evolved" in societies as defense against the spread of behavior that could cause a breakdown of social order. For example, if something like dancing mania[0] got out of hand, then important jobs could be left undone and people starve or whatever. So if the notion that such behavior is bad is drilled into everyone's mind before being exposed, then they are more like…

Oh yeah definitely. It's easier to just have a general learned feeling of a taboo than to have to explain to everyone the historical and societal consequences of it to every person. It's a learned behavior that helps perpetuate a higher survival rate not because the thing itself is bad if done a handful of times but because it can get out of hand and be done by the whole population.

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Post by ljf »

lisper wrote: post #355
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #34

From my reading of the article (which is hard to parse not being an expert) it seems there is a German YouTuber with Tourette's who also on his YouTube shows displays non-tourette's tics. And these tics are being copied by other young people watching his shows, and being presented as Tourette's until they arrive at the clinic where these experts go "hang on this kid does not have Tourette's but does have tics similar…

It's plausible [1] [2]. I am by all accounts neurotypical (except perhaps for a touch of Aspergers) but I have an involuntary tic. Every now and then (like once or twice a week) a memory of some incredibly stupid thing that I once did -- sometimes decades ago -- will pop into my head and before I can re-establish conscious control I'll make a vocalization that sounds like a cross between a whimper and a sneeze. It's…

This is me to a tee! I either get a neck spasm when my chin gets brought down (also happens spontaneously, but often with a cringe worthy thought from the past), or I'll 'almost' same something out loud while replaying something.

Assumed it wasn't just me who did this but glad to know there are others.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

geocrasher wrote: post #412
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have SAD and this happens to me several times a day. Though it's not so much that it pops into my head, more that my train of thought leads me there by association. In a lot of ways SAD feels like a form of PTSD where instead of a single extremely traumatic experience, or many extreme experiences(known as complex PTSD), it's a huge amount of slightly traumatic ones. So it's sort of like a flashback. One of the thin…

Are you talking about Seasonal Affective Disorder? Or can you define what SAD is if not?

Sorry, forgot about seasonal affective disorder, which I also have, ironically. But I was referring to social anxiety disorder.

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Post by reb »

my-god-hn wrote: post #425
screye wrote: post #395

I wonder how similar this is to (sexy baby) valley girl upspeak & vocal fry. Many young women picked this up from the Kardashians/Paris Hilton and now cannot "turn it off". We know this is not their 'natural' voice because if you ask them to make weird sounds and then a normal voice, then their normal voice sounds completely different than the sexy baby voice. The weird thing is that the women themselves are surprise…

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And deprive the world of instant classics like "valley girl accent considered harmful"? Do you hate joy?

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Post by ljf »

geocrasher wrote: post #411
lisper wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's plausible [1] [2]. I am by all accounts neurotypical (except perhaps for a touch of Aspergers) but I have an involuntary tic. Every now and then (like once or twice a week) a memory of some incredibly stupid thing that I once did -- sometimes decades ago -- will pop into my head and before I can re-establish conscious control I'll make a vocalization that sounds like a cross between a whimper and a sneeze. It's…

I too have issues with these kinds of thoughts that very nearly cause a whole-body shudder, followed by a kind of yell just to get it out of my system. It doesn't happen often, but hearing others talk about this gives me hope that I'm not a total weirdo... even though I know I am in many other ways LOL! I've also wondered if my ADHD somehow factors into it, but that I don't know.

As a someone who recently realised/accepted that I have loads of adhd traits, I can see the connection. I personally think that the fact my mind is never really "calm" means I/we have more opportunities to play over these things when doing other tasks.

I get the impression those without adhd can just concentrate without a mind full of fluff - I can't imagine what that must be like!

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Post by filoleg »

fullstackchris wrote: post #383

I just experienced this today; I was walking down the street and a teenager walking by himself abruptly made this sharp random shrieking sound to no one in particular and then kept walking along. Could he actually have Tourette's by traditional clinical definition? Certainly. But I'm inclined to beleive that it has much more to do with this article's definition and how f***d the youth are against the whole social med…

Could be many reasons, who knows. Maybe they were looking at something on their phone that evoked their reaction, maybe they heard something in their earphones, maybe they suddenly saw a bird nearby that scared them, or maybe they just remembered something which ended up causing it.

The latter happens to me occasionally, and I am fairly certain it has nothing to do with Tourette's. Usually it is me walking somewhere, then remembering something I forgot that i needed to do or having some realization, and I just end up going "oh fuck" or "ooooh". Not loudly like a yell, but definitely audible to someone within a 5-10 feet range.

It could also be what you are suspecting as well, but without actually talking to the person, there is quite literally no way to know. So imo it is a rather pointless exercise.

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