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No one wants to have kids anymore

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Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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As well written and funny as the article is it still finds itself in a tunnel vision scenario because if the population is rising continuously and no one wants to have kids anymore then where are all these extra kids coming from?

The developing world. Lack of birth control + poverty + lower cost of raising children has our population exploding in all the places that haven't developed yet.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #3

As well written and funny as the article is it still finds itself in a tunnel vision scenario because if the population is rising continuously and no one wants to have kids anymore then where are all these extra kids coming from?

Because usually population means US and sometimes you can include Europe.

Arbsorlurtlrey.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #4

The unspoken subtext of these hysterical articles is that they are only speaking about wealthy white people. The rest of the planet does not exist to them.

There are plenty of countries with a sub replacement level birth rate. Were it not for immigration, this would put them in deep economic peril. Perhaps you found more meaning in the race angle for some reason (countries like Japan are left puzzled with your logic), but I found the message pretty clear. The observation “white people are lazy and rich” is a pretty outdated and lazy one, it’s surprising to see it here on HN tbh. Do you think the birth rate in Ukraine is down because of wealthy whiteness?

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #4

The unspoken subtext of these hysterical articles is that they are only speaking about wealthy white people. The rest of the planet does not exist to them.

> only speaking about wealthy white people

Wealthy or not, white or not, you're going to feel it sooner or later in most countries. The whole system is built on a strong working class, once the balance shift to an older population it's going suck for a few generations

Not many white peeps in Japan or China btw, yet they'll suffer the same thing, India will be next, albeit a bit later

But yeah, "white man bad", that's good enough !

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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> Don't fool yourself; we're not overpopulating ourselves to global economic and environmental meltdown; Yes we are. Yes. We. Are. Let it happen. I'll start panicking if the human population is still decreasing at 100 million. But for now, we are still growing.

Humans are not “fungible”. Therefore: - Immigration will alter the societal outcomes of a region, for “better” or “worse”, as the region chooses - Destruction of productive and healthy societies by prolific but unhealthy ones will cause widespread harm. - Failure to reproduce at replacement levels won’t show up as a disaster until many years after it is too late to correct it. Wouldn’t it be better to aim to reduce h…

Excel begs to differ ;)

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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I think it cliche to believe it's strictly a financial decision. In fact, in the West (afaik) the middle and upper class have a lower birth rates than those below them. Not to get subjective and fuzzy but children are a symbol of hope and promise. Any reasonable adult who is considering children has to ask themselve how to answer when the child asks, "Why? Why did you bring me into *this* world?" Who has a good answe…

I used to think like that, but not anymore. The parents must not answer this question. They must not even attempt to do it. It's up to the children, who have their whole lives before them, to look for an answer. And that's the whole point.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #3

As well written and funny as the article is it still finds itself in a tunnel vision scenario because if the population is rising continuously and no one wants to have kids anymore then where are all these extra kids coming from?

It depends on the culture, I guess - AFAIK the birth rate in western countries is decreasing.

On the other hand, the taxi drivers I remember talking to about children, had all a certain (non-western) background, and they had (as far as I remember) 2, 4, 3, 8 children, respectively.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #4

The unspoken subtext of these hysterical articles is that they are only speaking about wealthy white people. The rest of the planet does not exist to them.

Just look at the trend : https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?view=map

Fertility rates are close to or below 2 pretty much everywhere except subsaharian africa, and dropping significantly on a world wide level.

Trying to make this issue 'white vs other' is unwarranted and simply does not fit actual data.

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