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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by throwaway27727 »

YellowStuDregg wrote: post #80
ccity88 wrote: post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Could people feel dismissive towards your opinion because it sounds like confabulation, rather than a carefully reasoned argument based on data that could spawn a good faith discussion? > What's interesting to me Shower thought, then > This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that... Alright you win!

Or because it's a controversial topic and GP is worried about being taken as offensive but still would like to make their point.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by largepeepee »

bognition wrote: post #54
ccity88 wrote: post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Counter hypothesis. For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. Social media is absolutely involved, but we really don't know what the base rate would be in a society devoid of this kind of pressure.

>For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity.

Only decades? You mean for all of history, where there are distinct roles mostly because of anatomy.

In fact, it was only in recent decades with birth control that was there even an option for most women to take a different role for extended periods.

I'll say the opposite is true, the last several decades did a great job and removed the notion of heterogenomativity. We are just going so far past that into the illogical now.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by [deleted] »

dusted wrote: post #46
AstixAndBelix wrote: post #9

If social contagion can get people to develop serious ticks imagine how many things we automatically do or feel or think that are a mere result of random social pressures

My main concern is how to induce specifics in people and start profiting from it :D Wouldn't it just be wonderfully dystopic if we could induce ticks in people that made them clean the streets and do the grunt work? :D

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by meowfly »

johnnymorgan wrote: post #74
ccity88 wrote: post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

High performance people have been saying this for generations. Surround yourself with positive, talented people to keep your mind clean. Hell even vogue and trash mags call out 'energy vampires' (lol) but it's all the same thing. I legit decided to not listen to gangster rap in the 90s because a dude said to me 'that shit will warp your mind ' but I realized all music and influences do that. So books it was...god I w…

I still listen to "gangster rap" and I'm doing well enough. It's entirely possible to listen to Trap and not drink lean. There are plenty of dorks (I use the word affectionately) watching anime whose fandom has subsumed their ability to be successful. I do think that a person's life trajectory is affected by their closest friends, especially in high school.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by gadders »

maxbond wrote: post #42
gadders wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck it, I'll take the karma hit. I am of course referring to young girls identifying as male/non-binary. I'm sure some of the cases are genuine, but not all. And I'm not saying these girls aren't troubled or have other things going on that they need help with.

I appreciate your being willing to speak your mind without hiding behind vaguery. We can risk a karma hit together. You are referring to a myth called "Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria," which has been debunked. Gender identity is not a socially transmitted pathology. I don't believe you meant this in a hateful way, but let me explain what the problem is with this idea. This is sophistry about how LGBTQ people should rem…

Debunked by whom? Happy to read a paper or two.

I don't think at all that LGBTQ people "infect" people - that is your choice of words, not mine.

But it seems strange to think that tourettes, anorexia, self-harming and even suicide can be socially transmitted but for this one specific condition (for which there is no medical test) it's impossible and has never happened.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by astura »

gadders wrote: post #39
mathgeek wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate? As written, your comment can come off as rather ageist/sexist, which is a shame if you meant a specific trend.

Fuck it, I'll take the karma hit. I am of course referring to young girls identifying as male/non-binary. I'm sure some of the cases are genuine, but not all. And I'm not saying these girls aren't troubled or have other things going on that they need help with.

You appear to confuse sociogenic illness with faking or being otherwise "non-genuine."

This is not true. Sociogenic illness, including the one the article is about, are very real to those affected. The symptoms are real and genuine.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by throwaway27727 »

maxbond wrote: post #79
lzaaz wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth saying but if I say it the comment gets flagged and no one gets to read it.

I always read flagged comments, and I vouch for them when I feel they've been unfairly flagged (or when they're from banned accounts that are automatically flagged, but the comment is unobjectionable). This is however a tacit admission that what you have to say is against the guidelines of this site and that, were you to let it compete in the market place of ideas, it would be fail completely.

Not all scientific discussion is pleasant to hear, but it would be worth discussing, even if flagged and down voted, rather than "We were always at war with Eurasia".

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by jackmott42 »

DSingularity wrote: post #75
mnsc wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since there is a school of thought that gender to a great extent is socially learned behaviour the idea that you by learning more about gender transgression would "create" a desire that "I would be more comfortable in 'that gender' over there" is not far-fetched although I'm not aware of any research. The issue is mostly by those who pathologize that state of not being comfortable in ones "gender assigned at birth",…

How can there ever be an informed transition with something like shifting genders?

If you suppose that understanding this well is not possible, that would imply you also do not understand it well, so perhaps you should leave other people alone to do what they will, unless some good reason is revealed not to.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by quietbritishjim »

xd wrote: post #85
bognition wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter hypothesis. For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. Social media is absolutely involved, but we really don't know what the base rate would be in a society devoid of this kind of pressure.

As a parent I have no idea what you are trying to say with this idea of pushing "heteronormativity" - I don't and don't know any parents that push anything sexual let alone encouraging kids to explore sexuality .. they are kids and will be kids until they mature and begin to feel the urge to explore. This normalising of sexualising of children is abhorrent. Edit: the voting on this comment is crazy.. the number of HN…

I have no skin in the overall debate but it's clear that a prince and princess running off together in a Disney film is heteronormative, while most people wouldn't consider it to be abhorrently sexualising for children to watch those films.
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