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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last sentence of the abstract felt especially unnatural: > since spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as local communities or school environments spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as schools or towns.

The whole sentence could use some more punctuation marks, like so: A large number of young people across different countries are affected, with considerable impact on health care systems and society as a whole. Since spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as local communities or school environments, spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as schoo…

The second sentence both says the same thing twice and actually doesn't make any sense when you parse it.

> Since spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as local communities or school environments, spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations such as schools or towns.

The sequence "spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations" appears in exactly that sequence twice in that sentence. If you cut the redundancy down to "spread via social media is no longer restricted to specific locations", that doesn't make sense either since social media was never restricted to specific locations.

I'm not saying it's definitely written entirely by GPT, but mindlessly repeating sequences is very GPT-like behavior. Maybe academics are using GPT to pad their word count? Or maybe the authors and their editors just need more coffee?

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate? As written, your comment can come off as rather ageist/sexist, which is a shame if you meant a specific trend.

Fuck it, I'll take the karma hit. I am of course referring to young girls identifying as male/non-binary. I'm sure some of the cases are genuine, but not all. And I'm not saying these girls aren't troubled or have other things going on that they need help with.

I appreciate your being willing to speak your mind without hiding behind vaguery. We can risk a karma hit together.

You are referring to a myth called "Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria," which has been debunked. Gender identity is not a socially transmitted pathology. I don't believe you meant this in a hateful way, but let me explain what the problem is with this idea. This is sophistry about how LGBTQ people should remain in the closet, or they'll "infect" people, and the evidence is that as we tolerate LGBTQ people more, more of them come out of the closet. It's a reversal of cause and effect, from the same school as "discussing the history of racism is racist".

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

It reminds me of the old saying “Monkey see .. Monkey do”.

An over simplification perhaps but there is no question we “mimic” all the time.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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This passage from the abstract:

> Moreover, they can be viewed as the 21st century expression of a culture-bound stress reaction of our post-modern society emphasizing the uniqueness of individuals and valuing their alleged exceptionality, thus promoting attention-seeking behaviours and aggravating the permanent identity crisis of modern man.

is rather peculiar. I didn't expect that this is how neurologists and neuroscientists would speak these days. "Our postmodern society", "permanent identity crisis of the modern man" - these sentiments sound like they've been transplanted from a humanities paper.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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If social contagion can get people to develop serious ticks imagine how many things we automatically do or feel or think that are a mere result of random social pressures

My main concern is how to induce specifics in people and start profiting from it :D

Wouldn't it just be wonderfully dystopic if we could induce ticks in people that made them clean the streets and do the grunt work? :D

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

#47
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It read like parody to me at first, but I verified the domain[0] and it's not. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_University_Press

This has been a thing for a while. https://www.reddit.com/r/fakedisordercringe/ It's status as illness though, let alone mass-illness is dubious at best.

These illnesses appear to be very real, even if sociogenetic in origin.

Someone researching the same thing has this to say

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/nov/16/the-unknown-is...

>Olvera’s research has not gone down well in some quarters. “I’m frustrated,” she says. “I’ve tried to stop reading a lot of what is written out there.” She’s received “lots” of angry emails. “My colleagues have had a positive response to my research,” she says, “but I don’t know if it’s been perceived appropriately by the public. The last thing I would want is for my patients to walk away from this thinking that their disorder is fake or not worthwhile.”

>Much of the controversy arises from the misapprehension that doctors are accusing young people of faking Tourette’s for attention, or arguing that TikTok is giving people Tourette’s. Neither claim is true. “What the media has boiled it down to,” says Olvera, “is that if it’s not Tourette syndrome, it’s fake. But just because it’s not Tourette syndrome doesn’t mean it’s fake. This is a real condition. Even though it’s not typical Tourette’s, it’s very disruptive and stressful.”

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Recently read the story of a detransitioner and the statistic that about a third falls of the radar (and due missing their hormones, almost certainly are unhappy about the treatment). Social media are implicated in the spread of these ideas (all ideas), and the detransitioner pleaded for better info from professionals and an end to doctor neutrality for underage trans people.

Changed my mind a bit.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

#50
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate? As written, your comment can come off as rather ageist/sexist, which is a shame if you meant a specific trend.

I imagine many people have a specific phenomenon in mind which they will avoid mentioning because it's considered impolite and impolitic.

Either it is a real issue, in which case, we should have a discussion about it.

Or it is not a real issue, in which case, it is not worth vagueposting about.

Taking the most charitable interpretation, this creates cover for dog whistling while not adding to the conversation.

The other possibility is that it is dog whistling in order to promote bigotry.

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