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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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You can only say that if you also say that the creativity of human beings themselves is just a way to launder copyright.

He writeth best who stealeth best, all things both great and small. For greater minds that wrote them first, from nature stole them all. -- Totally me.

I like that phrase! I'm probably going to steal it :-)

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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A lot of people in the comments are making a hard distinction between AI garbage/bullshit and the pure/genuine human-created thing, and the various ways in which we can keep this distinction alive. If only that was true, the bullshit part. You should start living with the idea that the AI generated content is NOT bullshit, because we're either already there or very close to it. The AI content will be of value, look g…

I think you are right, AI content will not be distinguishable from human content. What we really need to figure out is the direction that we are going as humanity. This planet must quickly become too small for us, human beings will not be needed anymore which means we need to find bigger challenges or we will self destruct out of pure laziness and self indulgence. Personally I don't think AI will only destroy creativ…

The solution is to integrate with AI. Why do people think Elon is working on Neuralink?

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

#433

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This false equivalency just keeps being made. Yeah absolutely, acceptable in case of humans and not acceptable in case of GPT. GPT is not human. It is employed by a human to get around having to benefit other humans with attention and money. Meanwhile human world is structured around fate, happiness of humans -- such things guide our considerations as to what to consider legal and what not. There are other difference…

Machines -- at least today -- are extensions of human beings, and pretty democratic, really, compared to history. You can't really talk about limiting machines without also limiting humans. GPT is a tool. Almost anyone can use tools much like it. So what are we trying to protect against?

Yes. Machines including GPT are not the ones doing things, they can't be compared to humans. And humans may desire to do things with machines that should not be considered acceptable because of how they affect human society, and humans may or should be limited (as they already are in all aspects of life that involve other humans).

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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I don't think there will be ads. We'll be able to run a local chatBot just like we run SD.

SD is only 4 GB in size, you can run it on one 8-10 GB GPU, GPT-3 is around 350 GB so around 100x more, 99% of humanity can't run it locally currently even if they wanted.

There is FLAN-T5 and hopefully there will come open models that work on a regular computer.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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I’m not sure it’s Google’s fault at this point. Maybe it’s just that every site thinks they need to be SEO spam in order to be noticed. And so the internet has become a cesspool of stories about how this is the same recipe passed down in your family since Julius Caesar. There have been a ton of articles about how Google sucks lately. Well, maybe Google has gotten worse, but maybe the internet has just gotten worse. I…

> If I search for “best gaming laptop” or “taco recipe” the results are pretty much uniformly spammy across Google, Bing, and Neeva, the latter being a paid search engine. I believe you will find results on Kagi less spammy https://kagi.com/search?q=best+gaming+laptop&r=us&sh=HJrdZzD... (Kagi is also a paid search engine that requires an accunt, the above is publicly shared search) Removing, downranking and classyfin…

Great to hear from someone fighting the good fight! In your opinion, is the internet just spammy now, or is something else going on?

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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I’m not sure it’s Google’s fault at this point. Maybe it’s just that every site thinks they need to be SEO spam in order to be noticed. And so the internet has become a cesspool of stories about how this is the same recipe passed down in your family since Julius Caesar. There have been a ton of articles about how Google sucks lately. Well, maybe Google has gotten worse, but maybe the internet has just gotten worse. I…

> If I search for “best gaming laptop” or “taco recipe” the results are pretty much uniformly spammy across Google, Bing, and Neeva, the latter being a paid search engine. I believe you will find results on Kagi less spammy https://kagi.com/search?q=best+gaming+laptop&r=us&sh=HJrdZzD... (Kagi is also a paid search engine that requires an accunt, the above is publicly shared search) Removing, downranking and classyfin…

thanks for building Kagi <3 – it's expensive but worth it imo

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

#437

> Those "artificial" creations are also uploaded on the Internet. Those artificial artefacts are now part of the statistical data. > Do you see where it leads? This reminds me of one of the philosophers cited as inspiration for The Matrix, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard#Simulacra_and... This guy sums up pretty much how I felt about this since when those images started poring on social media. This will…

> This will serve, once again, capitalism and it's absurd race towards the bottom, lowest common denominator. What is the alternative? Are socialist economies known for producing great art? What is Venezuela producing? Cuba? North Korea? It seems far more likely to me that the American entertainment industry is just in a rut (as it tries to figure out streaming and adjust to the bad assumption that pandemic-level ent…

It's much more than just "being in a rut". You can clearly see how social media and "viral"-ism has changed the way movies are produced and shown. In recent years when I go watch a mainstream action movie, it's like a deafening blur of post process filters and carefully crafted scene after scene where everything is manipulated via the computer to a degree where you can no longer even look away from the focal point and discover details and enjoy watching a movie multiple times - because now if you look elsewhere than the producers want you to look, there is nothing there anymore. It's all CGI garbage or empty sets, covered by CGI made shadows/lighting/fog/whathaveyou.

AI in the movie industry will absolutely accelerate the race to the bottom, and make mainstream entertainment even more shallow and empty.

In fact it's probably why movies nowadays are like 2h to 2h30 when they used to be 1h30. They're so shallow and empty and filled with noise that they have to stretch them out so it feels like you actually watched something.

edit: on further thought, maybe you know, movies are over? I mean clearly as much as I hate it, tiktok's success is showing us that people get far more stimulation from watching feeds - or maybe it is indeed since COVID & Netflix etc there is even fewer incentive to sit in a dark room with lots of other noisy people munching on their popcorns and kicking your seat while to try to enjoy a movie.

My point being I doubt that the movie industry will recover.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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This is a misunderstanding of AI (Stable Diffusion etc.), IMHO. The relation of AI-generated art, trained on human-generated art, to human creativity, is almost the same relation as human-generated art and history of human art and creativity to the nature/world/universe itself, as the ultimate source of all inspiration and creativity. The underlying neural networks (in humans [getting inspiration from nature] and in AI [getting "inspiration" from human-art]) work is (somewhat) similar ways.

AI (generated art) is just another derived layer on top of that and which is still in its infancy.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

#439

We're already drowning in human generated garbage on the web. Sure, AI makes it worse, but we can't blame anything but our human compatriots and ourselves.

But everybody has an important viewpoint that they need to spread themselves and that you haven't or someone else hasn't already elucidated /s.

That's not even what I'm talking about. I was thinking of SEO content, ads, tiktok, twitter, facebook garbage. Please more well articulated viewpoints!

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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I've been thinking about how people working in intellectual fields like art, programming, and writing are starting to realize that their work can be automated, industrialized, and produced in large volumes faster by AI. It's a similar situation to what line workers experienced with the first automated production lines. It's frustrating because the skills and knowledge that people have spent their careers developing are suddenly not as valuable as they once were.

It's easy to dismiss AI-generated content as garbage, but it won't always be that way. Even now [1], some of the MidJourney creations and written text produced by AI are truly impressive. As AI technology continues to improve, we we'll see even more advanced models that can produce meta-articles on par with those produced by organizations like IPCC if feeded with scientific articles.

I'm not sure how to feel about all this. It's happening, it's going to get better, and it's going to change our lives. There's not much we can do to stop it, and I'm not even sure we should if we could.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33752684

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