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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by beezlewax »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #15

In just the past couple of weeks, I've noticed lots of machine generated cooking recipes. They follow the typical SEO pandering blog format, where there's an unnecessary story about the author's trip somewhere or their child's school play being the inspiration for making this particular recipe, followed by the actual recipe details. The machine generated stories are even more pointless and meandering than what humans…

Bad input equals bad output. They've trained these models on poorly written content that's already been an issue itself.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by paulmd »

czzr wrote: post #169
theclansman wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the difference (the time it takes) isn't that something we addressed a long time ago when computers could do long divisions way faster than any human? You know, the fact that computers can "think" faster than humans. Therefore the fact that it takes longer for a human to write that essay doesn't mean he's having a different process.

Actually I was gesturing to two things: one, yes, there’s a time element. But that’s not the important point. More important was the thought process behind - “of course I’m not going to write 5 pages because some random person on the internet asked me to”. It’s difficult to define agency, so I just wanted to tangibly evoke the feeling of it, as a reflection on why the models are not yet the same as what people are.

> More important was the thought process behind - “of course I’m not going to write 5 pages because some random person on the internet asked me to”.

But you would if a college professor asked you to. College assignments are the "generative prompts" of human beings, where you do random shit to please a taskmaster and produce generative output based on some inputs you've been trained upon.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #8

We're already drowning in human generated garbage on the web. Sure, AI makes it worse, but we can't blame anything but our human compatriots and ourselves.

When you think about it, since most of that "human generated garbage" is mainly trying to appease recommendation algorithms, which are mostly AI these days, even the human generated garbage is actually AI generated garbage by proxy.

We can't kill the machine, but we can starve it. None of this would exist without advertising. If we kill advertising we kill the content farms. And nothing of value will be lost.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by seydor »

blueridge wrote: post #312

My marketing team uses a suite of AI tools for everything: headlines, email copy, direct mail messaging, entire blog posts from start to finish. It's incoherent nonsense and yet no one cares. They celebrate new blog posts as if it we had something meaningful to say, then ask the whole company to re-post on LinkedIn. Any attempt to be helpful with copyediting or rewriting is met with total hostility and "stay in your…

GPT has provided me with such a marketing team for free (for now).

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by greenbit »

This is awesome. We don't need some malevolent SkyNet style AI to bring us down, there doesn't have to be any kind of 'mind' in the machine to devise humanity's undoing. All we need is the right kind of feedback and we'll do it to ourselves. The right kind of mirror, held up to the collective consciousness. Sort of like the plot of that old classic, Forbidden Planet

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by seydor »

chubot wrote: post #254

Does this sound old-fashioned? Read more books and less Internet. There is a lot of information in books that is not on the Internet, yet many people don’t seem to realize it. I notice a lot of people seem to get almost all of their information from the Internet. Over time, I think that will make you stupid. (The neutering of google books was a setback, but perhaps paradoxically good — it preserved a unique value of…

Don't they use all the out-of-copyright books in the training ?

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by baxtr »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #337
baxtr wrote: post #184

Sorry, I had to do it. I asked GPT3... How can we prevent drowning in garbage generated by AI? > Preventing drowning in AI-generated garbage can be a challenging task, but there are a few things that can be done to reduce the amount of garbage that is generated. One approach is to carefully design and train AI systems to generate high-quality content, rather than relying on large amounts of data to produce mediocre r…

Curious of GPT3's response to the opposite side of that question: *How can we enable drowning in garbage generated by AI?*

Here you go:

> It is not advisable to try and enable drowning in garbage generated by AI. Rather, we should strive to prevent the generation of AI-generated garbage in the first place. This can be done by carefully designing and training AI systems to generate high-quality content, using tools and techniques such as data filters and validation to identify and remove low-quality content, and by creating and enforcing strict guidelines and standards for the use and generation of AI-generated content.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by dgb23 »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #15

In just the past couple of weeks, I've noticed lots of machine generated cooking recipes. They follow the typical SEO pandering blog format, where there's an unnecessary story about the author's trip somewhere or their child's school play being the inspiration for making this particular recipe, followed by the actual recipe details. The machine generated stories are even more pointless and meandering than what humans…

Fun fact:

Video games with crafting/cooking such as RPGs are featured on some of these generated SEO sites.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by nine_k »

tetraca wrote: post #331

Upload your fake text and images anywhere. Upload it everywhere. Upload it as yourself. Upload it on behest of your willing friends. Corrupt your face in dozens of ways, then tag each as yourself. When everything is garbage, shadow profiles will mean nothing, social credit scores will mean nothing, analytics will mean nothing. Centralization can be turned on its head - the watering hole will be revealed to be the dan…

This reminds me of the great novel Fiasco by Stanislaw Łem [1].

The civilization described in the novel fills the entire radio spectrum with noise, to make efficient communication impossible (and possibly to also allow highly sophisticated noise-like encrypted communication be undetectable).

Their society is pretty dystopian though.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiasco_(novel)

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by thefreeman »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #292
ren_engineer wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

true, but that's part of the reason for the life stories being told on recipe sites that the parent comment was talking about. Bounce rate is another metric that SEOs have gamed by throwing a bunch of fluff onto pages where people have to dig to find what they want

So that's why they're doing it. I've been wondering for a while now just why so many sites make you work hard to fish out the information you're after. I assumed ad exposure, but I had this feeling that it's not the whole story. Delaying people to fool Google bounce metrics is the idea I missed.

that’s not actually why they do it. it’s because recipes are not copyrightable. so they throw in a “story” to make it something they can copyright and try to prevent people from duplicating.
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