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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by hoosieree »

archon1410 wrote: post #221
tylerrobinson wrote: post #123

I see parallels here with industrialization and automation in manufacturing and food production. Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. In the future we might knowingly consume AI-generated cheap text for some purposes and opt for "the real…

> Another way I'm thinking about it is with GMO food. GMO food supporters point out that GMOs help us feed more people, but it still makes others uneasy. a very apt analogy perhaps in a way you didn't intend. it makes people uneasy, there's a natural reaction towards the unnatural, maybe for emotional reasons. it's the same way with GMO crops and AI poems—they will not be able to tell the difference between actual cr…

Australian Cane Toads and Kudzu are why GMOs make me uneasy. People have a poor track record of predicting the consequences of releasing life forms into new environments.

As a human, my reaction may still be emotional, but it's based on evidence.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by qubex »

pixl97 wrote: post #307
qubex wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m 41 and I’m utterly baffled by my 24 year-old SO’s interest in binging an apparently infinite litany of TV shows from streaming services. I’ve watched the first six seasons of Game Of Thrones, the first season of Dark, all of The Expanse (reading the last book of the final trilogy now), His Dark Materials (because I read the books) and Andor. That’s it. I watched some Star Trek TNG & DS9 as a kid and was horrified…

If there is infinite content you will dislike an infinite amount of it. Infinities are weird that way.

There’s finite matter in the observable universe and finite configurations thereof, so the amount of content is finite.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by Arrath »

ren_engineer wrote: post #188
nradov wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that Google does essentially allow searchers to "vote" on what they consider good by looking for bounces. If the searcher follows on a search results link and then quickly returns to the search page then it's considered a failure.

true, but that's part of the reason for the life stories being told on recipe sites that the parent comment was talking about. Bounce rate is another metric that SEOs have gamed by throwing a bunch of fluff onto pages where people have to dig to find what they want

Does back button capture also serve to circumvent/delay bounce status? Cause good god is it annoying.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by qubex »

nonameiguess wrote: post #179
qubex wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m 41 and I’m utterly baffled by my 24 year-old SO’s interest in binging an apparently infinite litany of TV shows from streaming services. I’ve watched the first six seasons of Game Of Thrones, the first season of Dark, all of The Expanse (reading the last book of the final trilogy now), His Dark Materials (because I read the books) and Andor. That’s it. I watched some Star Trek TNG & DS9 as a kid and was horrified…

First off, probably don't date a 24 year-old. I realize there is no strict correspondence between age and taste, but I'm 42 and my wife is 41 and, well, our shared experience is quite a bit more similar. She can relate when I get nostalgic about the 80s and 90s. She even reads! Complete novels, more than she watches TV. She doesn't have TikTok or Instagram. It is entirely possible to go full-time mutual old people ye…

> First off, probably don’t date a 24 year-old.

That’s extraordinarily rude.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by Nathanba »

EGreg wrote: post #113

Won’t help. This will be used at scale THIS YEAR and every subsequent year to infiltrate social networks including this one and amass points / karma / followers / clout. And also to write articles that will eventually dwarf all human-generated content. With this and deepfakes and image/video generation, the age of trusting or caring about internet content or your friends sharing online is coming to an end. But it wil…

I agree that regulation will be useless because the politicians and most people wouldn't even be capable of detecting bad content as bad. I also agree with your second point: Humans will prefer robots. It turns out human beings are actually quite terrible to deal with. Constant scheming, laziness, lying, low intelligence.. the list goes on and on. The second you don't have to deal with a human being, you'll be glad. In any shop, factory or anywhere. But I don't agree that it's game over. This needs to be a turning point for humanity: Finally start using your time to actually do something other than exist to exist. Actually try to conquer the stars, actually do something. Don't just sit on a single rock in space and pretend that's good enough.

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Post by rvbissell »

sarahlwalks wrote: post #189
jkestner wrote: post #149

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Maybe AI content is just a way to launder copyright.

You can only say that if you also say that the creativity of human beings themselves is just a way to launder copyright.

He writeth best who stealeth best, all things both great and small.

For greater minds that wrote them first, from nature stole them all.

-- Totally me.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by dqpb »

admax88qqq wrote: post #262
lukev wrote: post #255

The answer is not to "disconnect". The answer is to read critically, to read for argument, and to try to connect with the intent of what the author was saying. All the while realizing that most of the content out there is bullshit( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit ), whether written by a human or not. And yes, the amount of bullshit is about to increase exponentially. But it was already a majority. Ironicall…

If the amount of bullshit is going to increase exponentially what decision do we have other than to disconnect? Our attention, mind space, and time are all limited. We just don't have time to process this exponentially growing pile of content.

The queue is already saturated.

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Post by stale2002 »

eternalban wrote: post #210
brookst wrote: post #156

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You’ve illustrated two things, one spot on and one true but in the opposite direction. 100% agreed that AI is like early industrialization in that we don’t even know the messes we’re creating, and wild excess is likely to haunt us. But GMO foods are the opposite: people feeling “uneasy” is not an indication of harm. All foods are GMO. People are just uncomfortable with the modifications being in a lab rather than ove…

> All foods are GMO Is there a even a remote chance that say bits of Mammalian dna ends up in a crop via natural selection? The economic issues around GMOs are clear. The biosphere impact is not clear and there are questions: what can happen if we introduce new vectors in ecologies that have evolved over many orders of magnitude longer timelines? The “unease” comes from the knowledge that in Nature there is always a…

> Is there a even a remote chance that say bits of Mammalian dna ends up in a crop via natural selection?

Yes?

Half of your DNA is shared with plants already!

You already live in that world.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by lovehashbrowns »

rcarr wrote: post #302
fleddr wrote: post #180

A lot of people in the comments are making a hard distinction between AI garbage/bullshit and the pure/genuine human-created thing, and the various ways in which we can keep this distinction alive. If only that was true, the bullshit part. You should start living with the idea that the AI generated content is NOT bullshit, because we're either already there or very close to it. The AI content will be of value, look g…

Alternative take: No-one likes being lied to. AI is the ultimate deception. People will stop using the internet for anything other than information retrieval for problems. Artists will create on digital tools and then return to analogue publishing formats and distribution networks. People will follow them because artists are cool and tech bros aren’t. There will be an emphasis on becoming a local success story rather…

The vast majority of people don't care. Netflix's recommendation algorithm helped take down physical video rental stores and TikTok's algorithm is taking out Instagram, Facebook, and even YouTube.

Vinyl is particularly annoying to deal with. Even a small collection gets unwieldy quickly. I prefer physical books to ebooks but physical books are annoying to deal with, too. I've just given up on physical books for the most part. Typewriters are a joke; surely nobody believes they will come back to use in significant numbers.

The real problem is that AI art will be faster to produce and be completely indistinguishable from human art. People for the most part prefer the path of least resistance.

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