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> It's relatively easy for a human to tell the difference between AI copy (as pollutes the web) and actual content. It is now. It definitely won't be when gpt gets popular.
It will be: GPT output is usually either garbage, repetitive, very wrong, subtly wrong, or inconsistent in writing style in a way humans aren't. (It sort of starts trying to say something different, in the "same style" as it started with, then switches style later .) When humans really can't tell the difference, well… https://xkcd.com/810/ seems appropriate.
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#272There is a metaphor I rarely see used. IMO it is way better: A deep learning based software is a complex system [1] (not a statistical one). It is tapping into very powerful natural processes: How (high degree) order emerges from randomness through complexity. There are many stunning examples [2] of this that can help us picture how AI does its magic.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system
[2] https://global.oup.com/academic/product/complexity-978019979...
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#273People really love to make predictions about technologies way too early. It’s been a year or two, tops, since this stuff has gone mainstream. I very much doubt that the consumer ecosystem will remain the same while content undergoes an AI-powered paradigm shift. We will most likely see a growth of curated sites that help weed out the nonsense, as has been typical for most new developments. And on that note, I think t…
I we have already seen this play out in music though. Computers let anyone record music when it use to cost thousands of dollars to record music. The results have been a disaster outside the top 1% of music makers. Such a dramatic change that anyone under 30 doesn't even know what has been lost at this point. Music as a whole is laughably less creative as "popular" / pop music established total dominance. The money a…
Individual algorithm recommendations have subsumed sub cultures. Music used to be part of both your individual and group identity, it would influence what your wore, what you read, what you thought, who you hanged out with and what bars you visited. Technology has eroded the music press and sky high rents and fitness culture (not as many people drinking) means lots of gig venues and bars have closed down. These were the glue that built the subcultures up. You used to have the mainstream plus a few sub cultures that would evolve each decade e.g mods, rockers, hippies, metal heads, punks, new wave, hair metal, brit pop, emos, indie rockers etc. All of these ended up getting absorbed into the long tail so you now have the main stream and then everything else, with nothing in the everything else category really able to attract enough people to it in order to form era defining subculture like the days of old.
Combined with the sheer amount of music being created, all of this makes it harder to find music you actually want to hear. Your friends are all listening to different stuff so you don’t get many good in person recommendations anymore and what’s left of the music media are struggling to stay afloat and resorting to all kinds of stuff like NME doing movie reviews. The algorithms are hit and miss and search engines are getting worse and worse. So you become more and more at the mercy of chance, hoping that somewhere you stumble upon a review or a blog post, a subreddit or a song that somehow leads you to some good new music. But the reward to effort ratio often makes it harder to justify the time investment. And however good the music is, it’s not as enjoyable when you don’t have a group of people to share it with.
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#274I see parallels here with industrialization and automation in manufacturing and food production. Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. In the future we might knowingly consume AI-generated cheap text for some purposes and opt for "the real…
> It makes some content cheaper, but what are the side effects? "Content" is already maximally cheap: just copy and paste. AI-generated material – at least, with the current genre of GPT-style predictive text algorithms – doesn't produce original content; it just serves to dilute our global knowledge base with semantic white noise and lossy copies of existing knowledge.
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If that's the difference (the time it takes) isn't that something we addressed a long time ago when computers could do long divisions way faster than any human? You know, the fact that computers can "think" faster than humans. Therefore the fact that it takes longer for a human to write that essay doesn't mean he's having a different process.
Actually I was gesturing to two things: one, yes, there’s a time element. But that’s not the important point. More important was the thought process behind - “of course I’m not going to write 5 pages because some random person on the internet asked me to”. It’s difficult to define agency, so I just wanted to tangibly evoke the feeling of it, as a reflection on why the models are not yet the same as what people are.
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You’ve illustrated two things, one spot on and one true but in the opposite direction. 100% agreed that AI is like early industrialization in that we don’t even know the messes we’re creating, and wild excess is likely to haunt us. But GMO foods are the opposite: people feeling “uneasy” is not an indication of harm. All foods are GMO. People are just uncomfortable with the modifications being in a lab rather than ove…
> All foods are GMO Is there a even a remote chance that say bits of Mammalian dna ends up in a crop via natural selection? The economic issues around GMOs are clear. The biosphere impact is not clear and there are questions: what can happen if we introduce new vectors in ecologies that have evolved over many orders of magnitude longer timelines? The “unease” comes from the knowledge that in Nature there is always a…
Via natural selection alone? Probably not. Through horizontal gene transfer e.g. via viruses? Sure, can't see why not.
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#278In just the past couple of weeks, I've noticed lots of machine generated cooking recipes. They follow the typical SEO pandering blog format, where there's an unnecessary story about the author's trip somewhere or their child's school play being the inspiration for making this particular recipe, followed by the actual recipe details. The machine generated stories are even more pointless and meandering than what humans…
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also, a lot of AI-generated content doesn't look like trash to me, I've seen a lot of good images Translation: There is a lot of human generated original art that you're not aware of, and when you see it in the "AI"'s output you think it's original.
People have the same argument all the time about musicians ripping off each others' compositions, no AI needed for that.