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Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by hnbad »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #147

They have extremely impressive prices, but I've always been hesitant to use them for anything important because they've historically been known for very aggressively shutting down your service if their automated systems detect e.g. suspicious traffic. The most recent and egregious example would be banning users who run cryptocurrency-related nodes, even if not mining, despite only mining and similar activities being…

The concern with cryptocurrency-related services is probably more around scamming and illegal business operations than mining as -- as you say -- mining should be relatively easy to detect.

I'd say if you want to run gray area services like crypto, porn or gambling, you should probably ensure in advance that the provider is okay with you running your service, not just that they don't explicitly list your use case in their ToS.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by Aeolun »

hobs wrote: post #196
danw1979 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A one-off hoop that maybe helps to keep spammers off their systems ? Fine by me.

If your fraud detection cant do anything with name, address, phone number, and credit card and you need Drivers License/Passports then you probably need to pay for a better one.

What do you expect a German company to do with a copy of your drivers license or passport? Is this one of those situations where it contains your your social security number and it therefore becomes direct access to your bank account?

The only thing I imagine someone could do with the copy of my passport is pretend to be me when they sign up for a similar service.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by wongarsu »

yread wrote: post #90
PaywallBuster wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite impressive the numbers they're doing 78M profit on 290M revenue (See [0] above) _ edited figures _

It's insane that they are so cheap and they could still have a third lower prices and not lose money somehow

Hetzner is all about doing things efficiently, in unconventional ways.

There are some Youtube videos of people getting tours of their data centers. It's a very custom setup, keeping both component costs and energy costs down. Their earliest servers were basically tower PCs on shelves, their more recent generations are more akin to custom rack designs with inhouse-assembled servers, with a datacenter design that exploits natural convection to do a lot of the cooling.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by Aeolun »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #195
newaccount74 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Providing services to the crypto community probably makes you a huge target for cyber attacks and all kinds of fraud. It's the reason I would never get into that business, so I kind of understand why a company would prefer not to allow anything crypto related on their platform.

While surprisingly banning a class of services that few others ban is a problem in itself, what's a bigger problem is that a) the ToS doesn't mention it b) it's enforced without warning. If these are not toy projects, outages can get expensive (due to networks imposing penalties on nodes that don't fulfill promises, or trading getting messed up).

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Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by lakomen »

I don't like that they're milking old SB servers. I have a 12 year old server there ddr3 RAM, xeon e3 v2, 4x2tb hdd with raid controller. I paid 51€ for this for years, then like a year ago asked if I could get a price reduction. They agreed, down to 35€ but ni backup. Then, 3 months later, they increased prices because "electric cost" and now they'll increase them again because "inflation". So that I'll pay freaking 45€ for soon 13 year old hardware that can break any moment. It doesn't cost them even half of it. The server barely has any load, rarely reboots and they still increase prices. And I can't even run a discord bot because their network is banned. And they keep sending me false email spam positives, from freaking sign up confirmation mails. When you criticize them on their forum you get banned. I had the computer since 2014. It was already paid when I rented it. It had now been paid 4 times over. And they still increase prices.

If there was a similarly priced alternative I'd be gone in a second.

Their idk.. the guy who makes the systems and orders hardware is stuck in the past. Arno or what his name is. I'd rather have 4×2TB than 2×10TB HDDs. I'd rather have low powered cores but more cores than those beast machines. Anything below highest tier is a consumer computer. And that highest tier is expensive, more expensive than comparable alternatives from Leaseweb or similar providers. Connectivity is only good for the country it's in and the immediate neighbors. That's for Germany. The Helsinki DC has an unreliable connection to Europe mainland. 20ms-60ms-80ms latency is not what I'd consider stable.

They are greedy.

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Post by tzartz »

Ah Hetzner. Good prices, screwy business practices. Got a quote from them for one rate, setup a demo and got shut us down saying that our application was against their TOS. Funny considering our app was at that point nothing but a near blank static website- we hadn't even fully deployed it. Talked to the sales guys who assured us it would 'be fixed'- but after 3 weeks of zero feed back we bolted. FWIW, the app we were going to deploy there was a simple website that provided contact info and PDFs of product manuals for their German clients.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by [deleted] »

mythz wrote: post #48

We're a long time Hetzner dedicated server customer currently transitioning from their dedicated servers in Germany to their US Cloud product (for reduced latency) which we can highly recommend as it was the best US Cloud provider we've found that works out to be an order of magnitude less expensive than equivalent specs on Azure/AWS and also includes 20TB free bandwidth that would cost a fortune in AWS/Azure's artif…

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Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by coolgoose »

lakomen wrote: post #215

I don't like that they're milking old SB servers. I have a 12 year old server there ddr3 RAM, xeon e3 v2, 4x2tb hdd with raid controller. I paid 51€ for this for years, then like a year ago asked if I could get a price reduction. They agreed, down to 35€ but ni backup. Then, 3 months later, they increased prices because "electric cost" and now they'll increase them again because "inflation". So that I'll pay freaking…

Why don't you just move to a new server ? And electricity did go sky high in Europe at least, that's a moot point.

"If there was a similarly priced alternative I'd be gone in a second." Cool, so they're cheap, decently-ish on support and there are no alternatives, yet you complain they are making some money from people that don't upgrade their old hardware.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by hobs »

Aeolun wrote: post #212
hobs wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your fraud detection cant do anything with name, address, phone number, and credit card and you need Drivers License/Passports then you probably need to pay for a better one.

What do you expect a German company to do with a copy of your drivers license or passport? Is this one of those situations where it contains your your social security number and it therefore becomes direct access to your bank account? The only thing I imagine someone could do with the copy of my passport is pretend to be me when they sign up for a similar service.

Yes, pretend to be me and charge me for their actions. We call this identity theft and it is a rampant problem.
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