There will be a revival of human curation.
Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#72All this ChatGPT hysteria led me to have the following conversation with it. Probably hit some near future nail on its head. "Hello AI, please do today's tasks", the programmer will be on the level of the call center operator of today in terms of skills * Human: Explain to me the phenomenon of post-ChatGPT depression seen in a software developer * ChatGPT: [...] After using the ChatGPT tool, some developers may exper…
What does this have to do with the article?
Well for one, it is AI generated garbage in the comments of an otherwise well curated website, HN. That's too meta perhaps. I just wanted to share my feelings out loud of this whole showdown, thinking other might feel the same and share what they think.
The bot replied with feelings of being replaced, but feelings of eternal september², eternal 2023, are equally valid signs of this hypothetical post-ChatGPT depression, probably in a closer distance in the future than the former, and besides, more relevant to the article, not just the subject as a whole
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the problem you are describing is not only about AI, it is about trusting your sources of information. I can happen with content from humans.
I have cookbooks, both physical and in digital formats, but it's usually faster to do a web search, especially when I mostly need cooking time and temperature. Perhaps this will motivate me to finally get around the setting up a local search function for my electronic cookbook collection as the web is going to be less and less trustworthy.
Firefox makes it pretty easy to add a custom search engine.
That one could point to your local server instance.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/OpenSearch#auto...
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#74This has been happening for years and years, it is called SEO. If anything AI is an improvement
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#75It is a real problem. The web will soon be full of AI generated bullshit. What might come back as useful tool? Authorship. People actually signing the content and putting their reputation on the line. It still exists obviously (journalism…) but it might need to be standardized and industrialized.
If you didn’t think the web wasn’t full of bullshit before you won’t be too disappointed.
Well I won’t be surprised if we all end up regretting the current level of bullshit. Fast.
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#76According to the author, chatGPT is generating not "artificial creativity" but a simple "statistical mean of everything uploaded by humans on the internet which fits certain criteria". Isn't the post I'm typing here not also the product of my brain that's been trained by a couple of decades of sensory inputs and trained to produce outputs that fit certain criteria? What is the fundamental difference between fleshy ne…
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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#77I've been known to start ranting when I'm searching on some topic that attracts SEO garbage (e.g., Python), and realize I'm in the nth different SEO garbage article search hit. I wonder whether a winning solution to the coming massively-parallel "AI" megaspew will emerge, how it will work, and whether Google will be the ones to do it. Or will the bulk of consumers overwhelmingly submit, and accept it as normal, much…
I almost decided to limit my searches to the search engines of the authoritative sites. Examples in the case of Python: the Python language, the Django framework, Stackoverflow (until it will surrender to AI posts then we see what happens.) I'll end up creating a home page with search boxes to those sites. Very '90s
Ironically, the 90s solution (human-curated link collections) to Internet-wide searches seems the easiest way out.
It's relatively easy for a human to tell the difference between AI copy (as pollutes the web) and actual content.
It's also strange that Google et al. haven't built human-in-the-loop flagging of spam content into their search UX ("Is this site low quality?"). They could get around flag spam via reputation, given that Google knows identity for most of its users (because they're logged in or via IP across their properties).
Side note: In cursory research on current state, I came across the Chinese phrase "human flesh search engine" [0], which I wonder if it sounds as cyberpunk in the original Chinese.
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_flesh_search_engine
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another problem is AI training on AI generated content. This could lead to degradation of results. So perhaps to make everyone happy a new HTML tag indicating AI content would be useful?
The people using it to make money don't want it to be easily spotted, tag or metadata marking it will never happen unless required by law
There would indeed need to be a law.
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I almost decided to limit my searches to the search engines of the authoritative sites. Examples in the case of Python: the Python language, the Django framework, Stackoverflow (until it will surrender to AI posts then we see what happens.) I'll end up creating a home page with search boxes to those sites. Very '90s
Ironically, the 90s solution (human-curated link collections) to Internet-wide searches seems the easiest way out. It's relatively easy for a human to tell the difference between AI copy (as pollutes the web) and actual content. It's also strange that Google et al. haven't built human-in-the-loop flagging of spam content into their search UX ("Is this site low quality?"). They could get around flag spam via reputatio…
> It's relatively easy for a human to tell the difference between AI copy (as pollutes the web) and actual content.
No:
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#80It is a real problem. The web will soon be full of AI generated bullshit. What might come back as useful tool? Authorship. People actually signing the content and putting their reputation on the line. It still exists obviously (journalism…) but it might need to be standardized and industrialized.
Another problem is AI training on AI generated content. This could lead to degradation of results. So perhaps to make everyone happy a new HTML tag indicating AI content would be useful?
> a new HTML tag indicating AI content would be useful
This has about as much chance of working as the evil bit.