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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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post #7

Frank Herbert was onto something with that line "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

"Butlerian Jihad" that was the most surprising for me reading Dune that they had a limit on how smart computers could be. The movie was very vague on the subject, and was more of a Star Wars like lo-fi.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

#62

Honestly this feels like an old man screaming at the wind type thing. Inevitable doesn't even begin to describe was going to happen over the next 20 years. You should be much more terrified of when their content isn't garbage.

Absolutely.

Got bored and stopped reading. This kind of ranting communication style sucks.

So long as AI doesn't start selectively upvoting or watching other AI content this isn't even a concern.

Nor is the premise sound AlphaZero trained by itself and it produced wonderful games easily better than any human.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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In just the past couple of weeks, I've noticed lots of machine generated cooking recipes. They follow the typical SEO pandering blog format, where there's an unnecessary story about the author's trip somewhere or their child's school play being the inspiration for making this particular recipe, followed by the actual recipe details. The machine generated stories are even more pointless and meandering than what humans…

What's not to like? Custard? Good! Jam? Good! Meat? Good!

Have an upvote as I lol into my soup :-)

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

#64
post #28

According to the author, chatGPT is generating not "artificial creativity" but a simple "statistical mean of everything uploaded by humans on the internet which fits certain criteria". Isn't the post I'm typing here not also the product of my brain that's been trained by a couple of decades of sensory inputs and trained to produce outputs that fit certain criteria? What is the fundamental difference between fleshy ne…

silicon ones are a lot faster and programmable

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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AI training on AI-generated images works like a very complicated Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF), only the best images have a chance to be relevant enough to be noticed by a scraper, after being selected by the user who used the AI, and they have probably been shared several times by random people. Also, a lot of AI-generated content doesn't look like trash to me, I've seen a lot of good images, the fact that AIs can generate trash doesn't seem to be a problem to me, I can also generate junk and share it on the net if I want.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

#66

People really love to make predictions about technologies way too early. It’s been a year or two, tops, since this stuff has gone mainstream. I very much doubt that the consumer ecosystem will remain the same while content undergoes an AI-powered paradigm shift. We will most likely see a growth of curated sites that help weed out the nonsense, as has been typical for most new developments. And on that note, I think t…

> These new tools are awesome if you’re a creator. you're typing "generate me an article about x" into gpt-3. who's the creator here?

Why would anybody need to type anything? Gpt will type the gpt prompts. AI will create the AI that will create the AI. There will be people involved but increasingly less.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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post #16
post #14

It is a real problem. The web will soon be full of AI generated bullshit. What might come back as useful tool? Authorship. People actually signing the content and putting their reputation on the line. It still exists obviously (journalism…) but it might need to be standardized and industrialized.

Another problem is AI training on AI generated content. This could lead to degradation of results. So perhaps to make everyone happy a new HTML tag indicating AI content would be useful?

> Another problem is AI training on AI generated content. This could lead to degradation of results.

That's only the first step in the degradation. In a worse case scenario, where AI-generated crap is not contained, imagine this: young and still immature humans "learning" their styles of writing, information, and social expectations from content generated by AI that itself trained on AI-generated content─and then more AI trains on content generated by these humans that were trained on AI-generated content. And on, and on, and on...

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

#68

People really love to make predictions about technologies way too early. It’s been a year or two, tops, since this stuff has gone mainstream. I very much doubt that the consumer ecosystem will remain the same while content undergoes an AI-powered paradigm shift. We will most likely see a growth of curated sites that help weed out the nonsense, as has been typical for most new developments. And on that note, I think t…

> These new tools are awesome if you’re a creator. you're typing "generate me an article about x" into gpt-3. who's the creator here?

Your are.

Are you the author of the binary your compiler made? Sure you are. Of think of using blender geometry nodes to generate and render pictures of architecture. Nobody would think that traditional computer generated images are not made by humans.

The is no intelligence in gpt-3. It's just called "AI" for marketing reasons. It's an data driven algorithm.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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post #14

It is a real problem. The web will soon be full of AI generated bullshit. What might come back as useful tool? Authorship. People actually signing the content and putting their reputation on the line. It still exists obviously (journalism…) but it might need to be standardized and industrialized.

If you didn’t think the web wasn’t full of bullshit before you won’t be too disappointed.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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post #45

I've been known to start ranting when I'm searching on some topic that attracts SEO garbage (e.g., Python), and realize I'm in the nth different SEO garbage article search hit. I wonder whether a winning solution to the coming massively-parallel "AI" megaspew will emerge, how it will work, and whether Google will be the ones to do it. Or will the bulk of consumers overwhelmingly submit, and accept it as normal, much…

I almost decided to limit my searches to the search engines of the authoritative sites. Examples in the case of Python: the Python language, the Django framework, Stackoverflow (until it will surrender to AI posts then we see what happens.) I'll end up creating a home page with search boxes to those sites. Very '90s
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