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Post by maxbond »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #134
maxbond wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really understand where this comment is coming from, I think you've maybe misinterpreted me; I'm not trying to say there is never an appropriate role for government, I'm saying not to call the cops on Internet strangers, and that accountability you proactively build into the structure of your organization is going to work much better than going through the legal system. But sure, it's okay for law enforcement…

I'm just trying to explain why "don't call the cops on internet strangers" is too hardline of an argument for the real world, because everyone is a bit of an internet stranger.

I think if you read my comments in the sibling thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33849719 & the following 3 responses I make), which I view as the main part of my argument, you'll find nuance there & that I don't take a hardline position (I present a case & urge people to consider it, I don't prescribe any particular action). I was tired of explaining myself in this part of the thread & taking is as read that people had read that part of the conversation, but I should've tried harder to preserve the nuance. And I forget sometimes that other people's view in the UI looks very different from mine, so while from my perspective these comments were visually emphasized by being sorted higher, that probably wasn't the case for you.

I doubt you'll agree with me after reading those either, but I think you'll find it isn't a hardline stance.

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Post by Thorrez »

maxbond wrote: post #90
Thorrez wrote: post #84

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>I understand the principle of what you're advocating for, but the unfortunate reality is that miscarriages of justice are the norm and not the exception. I'd put forward another principle; it is better to let 1000 guilty parties go free than to condemn 1 innocent party (and "innocent" here should be taken to include people who are committing a "crime" that is normally tolerated, employed as an excuse to arrest someo…

> I think the ideal solution to this would be to work on fixing the system, not avoiding contact with the system. Hold police accountable for violating people's rights. Remove laws that don't need to be enforced, and consistently enforce ones that do need to be enforced. This is a fair point. Personally I don't believe this reform is possible, as I believe that the nature of police powers is such that they will alway…

Yeah, you have some good points. It's a complicated situation.

>while it was booted and asleep (thus defeating the full disk encryption)

Well I thought it would require a cold boot attack which would be extremely hard against a laptop with soldered RAM (like my stolen macbook pro). Until I looked it up just now and found this video...

https://youtu.be/RqvPZnLkP70?t=2327

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Post by xnorswap »

nibbleshifter wrote: post #103
maxbond wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just as likely they're having a mental health crisis of some sort (in my experience this is generally why people on the Internet go nonresponsive), I'd really encourage people not to call the cops on people in a situation they can't understand or get eyes on. It can make a bad situation much, much worse. It's even entirely possible for both things to be true, eg, for someone to have a medical crisis in their fam…

Healthcare in the UK is free.

I love the NHS and have written previously in defence of it but mental healthcare is practically non-existent with extremely long waiting lists and you really need to know what you're expecting to get from it to get anything at all from it. Unlike physical health, it does not work to help those who really need it.

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Post by shapefrog »

charcircuit wrote: post #21
tdeck wrote: post #6

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> Thomas our CEO is unreacheable. He only has access to bank and thus to funds. Does your nonprofit have a treasurer? I thought it was a legal requirement for the treasurer to be a different person from the CEO. In that case the treasurer should be able to present something on official letterhead and gain access to the account.

Legally CEOs are not a thing.

> Occupation - Chief Executive Officer And Founder

When you put that on the formation document of the company that you are becoming CEO and Founder of then I am 50-50 on it being a scam.

I have seen it enough times on 'influencer' instagram accounts to know what a red flag looks like.

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

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Post by seanw444 »

bunbun69 wrote: post #101
trynewideas wrote: post #55

There was a drama with GNU Octave's hosting with Fosshost in late October that seems to have been a precipitant of all this: https://octave.discourse.group/t/fosshost-domains-down/3477?... As usual an inordinate amount of discussion appears to be in a Discord and is therefore unlinkable.

Oh you can definitely link to threads, messages or channels from Discord But I shouldn’t be saying this because it goes against the Discord hate train Forums are so amazing!!!!!!

Discord is good for real-time communication. For long-lived discussions on important topics, it is objectively not a good option. The hate train is there for a reason.

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Post by DanBC »

TheBrokenRail wrote: post #75
maxbond wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just as likely they're having a mental health crisis of some sort (in my experience this is generally why people on the Internet go nonresponsive), I'd really encourage people not to call the cops on people in a situation they can't understand or get eyes on. It can make a bad situation much, much worse. It's even entirely possible for both things to be true, eg, for someone to have a medical crisis in their fam…

Having a mental health crisis should not mean that you're free of consequences. It's not like random people are driving up to their house to harass them, they're reporting them to a regulatory body who will investigate themselves and prosecute if needed. And if they are having a mental health crisis, they should be able to plea insanity. All is this is compounded by the fact that, at least according to another commen…

> And if they are having a mental health crisis, they should be able to plea insanity.

"Not guilty by way of insanity" is an incredibly high bar to meet, and it happens very rarely.

What usually happens (in England!!) is that the person is tried, convicted, and sentenced, and then given a hospital order. At that point they stop being a prisoner serving a sentence, they become a patient getting treatment at a low secure, medium secure, or high secure specialist commissioned hospital. I've spoken to patients in low and medium secure units, and they often say they'd prefer to be in prison doing time rather than being in hospital getting treatment.

I have some poorly formed thoughts about the need to set a high bar on criminal convictions, especially when people have made major errors, perhaps driven by mental poor health, rather than criminal intent. Mens rea and actus reus are a pretty important combination. And it's not a binary prosecute vs do nothing, there are a range of community restoration measures and protections that can be put in place leaving criminal prosecution for unrepentant criminals.

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

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Post by DanBC »

xnorswap wrote: post #143
nibbleshifter wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Healthcare in the UK is free.

I love the NHS and have written previously in defence of it but mental healthcare is practically non-existent with extremely long waiting lists and you really need to know what you're expecting to get from it to get anything at all from it. Unlike physical health, it does not work to help those who really need it.

So, uh, yes, but it's very dependent what bit of England you're in and what bit of mental health service you're trying to access. I'm not disagreeing with you btw, the picture is pretty bleak for very many people.

Some of the data is here. https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/sta...

And the IAPT data is here (although in many places IAPT has been diluted so much it's not giving much meaningful benefit) https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/sta...

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Post by bunbun69 »

RF_Savage wrote: post #122
bunbun69 wrote: post #101

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Oh you can definitely link to threads, messages or channels from Discord But I shouldn’t be saying this because it goes against the Discord hate train Forums are so amazing!!!!!!

Yet they are not publicly readable in anyway.

You can join the server. Problem solved

But I shouldn't be saying this as hacker news absolutely HATES facts

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