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Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by jrm4 »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #68
jrm4 wrote: post #58

Kind of surprising to not see the words "domestic terrorism" here, so let me be the first? This very well could be domestic terrorism and for now it would be prudent to treat it as such.

What is the actual importance of this rhetoric / labeling discussion over all emerging domestic news stories? Do you not feel that it constantly gets in the way of an actual discussion. I feel like this topic has been ongoing for over a decade. There are so many ways to describe the world. This is being described as a “[premeditated] attack”. Is there some ulterior motive I’m missing? Sorry to seem to ranty over this…

Along with the obvious legal points made below, I also believe there are important social/cultural points. Which is to say, better (subconscious) threat modeling.

For many Americans, the word "terrorist" conjures an image of, e.g. a Muslim foreigner.

Data and experience suggests that the above is very not likely, and also, that domestic terrorism is likely more of an issue.

In other words, you get clarity, which reduces fear at best, and helps people more accurately threat model at worst.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by deadly_syn »

totetsu wrote: post #124
deadly_syn wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would actually argue that disinformation is only thiz level of effective when a society is already sick. Its alot easier to point to whats falling apart to back up your argument, than it is to build a intricate web of shadowy lies. I guess what im saying is I feel like disinfo is a misnomer compared to what i see it as. Demoralization. And honestly when people do become a product of manufactured value by propagandi…

Maybe Demoralization is a good word for this. its not so much about truth as feelings. i dont know if the society is really sick, or just enduring challenging times. Direct action, protest, ararchism, etc have always been a part of the NZ political landscape. But the organisation of these things seems much more tightly integrated to international actors, groups, movements, funders, .. whatever youd call it.

I mean sick doesn't mean dying IMO, just dealing with a myraid of issues. The fact that we've even had nuclear war as a real potential threat in recent history is arguably a symptom of some global illness.

That level of discourse over a land dispute juat goes to show that our leaders arent really thinking of any of their actions long term consequences.

That's all extremely demoralizing to me, but I have the luxary of discussing my ideas here and seeing alternative viewpoints daily. That allows me to get a more level understanding of the objective world.

The spaces online availible to the layman however are nowhere near as welcoming to challenging of personal status quo.

And since ive already written this much i might as well make it a manifesto...

The main avenues of extremeism and propaganda were built by us hackers, we made communication efficient to our own detriment. The speed of the awfulness in our world can reach us faster than we can react is immense and that truth has been weaponized to put so many in their own digital versions of platos cave.

We need to paint a new place in the world, a goodly home for us all. I feel like matrix and the fediverse are part of that, atleast a v1 poc version of it.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #229
patmcc wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot about how terrorists don't act and I guess I don't understand their motives. Electric grids, fiber optic lines, train tracks, bridges, water mains, sewage treatment, all of these can be pretty easily disrupted with equipment that isn't hard to get and doesn't require extensive training. And the disruption could be extreme . I mean, I'm glad they're not doing any of this, but I'm puzzled.

Terrorism is a stupid strategy. Its track record is terrible. The folks who engage in it, fortunately, are not the most capable.

Terrorism is a very plastic term, that in the modern era is only applied to non-state actors who act against Western interests. Many, many, many allies of the West would be considered terroristic if they didn't align with Western goals. The Northern Alliance in Afghanistan would be considered terrorist, as well as many of the Syrian and Libyan allies during the Arab Spring. In those instances, they aren't labeled terrorist, but are instead called freedom fighters.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by dontbenebby »

WJW wrote: post #17
dontbenebby wrote: post #7

I didn’t think the invisible committee operated south of the Mason Dixon line. (Fragen Sie mich noch einmal, ob ich Französisch spreche, und ich werde Sie auf weniger unterhaltsame Weise an die Wand stellen.)

So do you speak French?

>So do you speak French?

Je veux supprimer mon compte :-)

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by epakai »

rnd0 wrote: post #227
anigbrowl wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not coordinated, think open source insurgency not unlike those in Iraq or Syria.

What does "open source" mean in this context?

Organization style probably. Where no one is particularly obligated to perform certain tasks, but people with similar problems implement solutions, sometimes as collective action.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by posterboy »

anigbrowl wrote: post #15
Shank wrote: post #2

This is a dead-ringer for the Metcalf sniper attack: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/05/272015606... Edit: dead-wringer => dead-ringer

Yeah and no. Metcalf was similar in terms of targeting the transformer with rifle fire. But it was more professionally done (in terms of minimizing forensic footprint) and more hands-off, compared to the gate being pulled down by a truck as in this case. There are a number of potential suspects, but my feeling is that if there are no arrests in 72 hours you can expect a bunch of copycat attacks. Substations are very…

Not that it matters but I looked up ringer and I beleive wringer is essentially correct but the w was lost and I'm not sure.

We used to speak of substitute players when a team needed to fill a spot with randoms, what is elsewhere called "ringer", nothing about cheating. There is an Old Norse word or something that is translated "fighter" . I don't remember its spelling and could not find the entry immediately. W would become lost in Norse, I guesd (Odin, Vatenfal). So I maintain the hunch that it is identical to wrestling because that's Ringen in German and wringen in Dutch. Again, allusion to the ring in which they fight is petty. Wrestling has a rich tradition but not endowed with literacy. This could easily lead to confusion next to war. Corrolary, a drug ring is not circular, since border running involves bands of war, though they could do a round call.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by Trouble_007 »

posterboy wrote: post #236
anigbrowl wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and no. Metcalf was similar in terms of targeting the transformer with rifle fire. But it was more professionally done (in terms of minimizing forensic footprint) and more hands-off, compared to the gate being pulled down by a truck as in this case. There are a number of potential suspects, but my feeling is that if there are no arrests in 72 hours you can expect a bunch of copycat attacks. Substations are very…

Not that it matters but I looked up ringer and I beleive wringer is essentially correct but the w was lost and I'm not sure. We used to speak of substitute players when a team needed to fill a spot with randoms, what is elsewhere called "ringer", nothing about cheating. There is an Old Norse word or something that is translated "fighter" . I don't remember its spelling and could not find the entry immediately. W woul…

Hope this helps;

Dead Ringer (disambiguation) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Ringer_(disambiguation)

Wringer (disambiguation) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wringer_(disambiguation)

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by remarkEon »

deanCommie wrote: post #157
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the actual importance of this rhetoric / labeling discussion over all emerging domestic news stories? Do you not feel that it constantly gets in the way of an actual discussion. I feel like this topic has been ongoing for over a decade. There are so many ways to describe the world. This is being described as a “[premeditated] attack”. Is there some ulterior motive I’m missing? Sorry to seem to ranty over this…

Because this was a targeted attack with the intentional goal of disrupting a drag show [0]. There is a rising alt-right extremist movement that is attempting to demonize LGBTQ and drag as pedophiles and groomers. Their methods are only getting more extreme [1]. They have very clear goals that are absolutely fall under the definition of terrorisms: They are attempting to terrorize a specific subset of civilian populat…

The sheriff of Moore County was asked about this in the press conference, and confirmed they spoke with the individual your link attributes as someone with knowledge of who is responsible, but says she made it up (i.e. "it turned out to be nothing").

https://twitter.com/PotrzebieSystem/status/15995193382805463...

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by dv35z »

nadieyninguno1 wrote: post #184
anigbrowl wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not coordinated, think open source insurgency not unlike those in Iraq or Syria.

While back I was listening to a Jocko Podcast episode wherein the host was discussing his watching the meltdown in Iraq. Internally, the military had some reporting on “Significant Activities,” major protests and bombings and infrastructure attacks and such. I’ve always wondered is there anything open-source of that nature - tracking “activities” like these?

This page could be a useful puzzle piece…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by deanCommie »

remarkEon wrote: post #238
deanCommie wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this was a targeted attack with the intentional goal of disrupting a drag show [0]. There is a rising alt-right extremist movement that is attempting to demonize LGBTQ and drag as pedophiles and groomers. Their methods are only getting more extreme [1]. They have very clear goals that are absolutely fall under the definition of terrorisms: They are attempting to terrorize a specific subset of civilian populat…

The sheriff of Moore County was asked about this in the press conference, and confirmed they spoke with the individual your link attributes as someone with knowledge of who is responsible, but says she made it up (i.e. "it turned out to be nothing"). https://twitter.com/PotrzebieSystem/status/15995193382805463...

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