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Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by shepherdjerred »

freediver wrote: post #13

This is very creative. Thing to note is that this is not free (or at least it is likely not to be, OpenAI is charging for APIs). We are talking about ~1c per search looking at current GPT pricing (2c per ~750 words in/out). It is also indiscriminate deployed in this way, triggering for every search, even those that chatgpt will show suboptimal responses for, like 'starbucks near me', navigational queries like 'twitte…

It's awesome to hear that Kagi is experimenting with this. Even if it's some extra paid opt-in feature, I'd give it a chance.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by shepherdjerred »

esperent wrote: post #88
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s possible, please create a family plan or regional pricing. I love Kagi but if I were to buy it for my entire family, the bill would be $600/year - more than a month of rent.

In the country where I live (Vietnam) $600 would be 3-4 months wages for many people. Any company that doesn't do regional pricing is only interested in doing business with rich countries. Which sucks but is understandable. I wish they were more honest about it though.

> Any company that doesn't do regional pricing is only interested in doing business with rich countries. Which sucks but is understandable. I wish they were more honest about it though.

Kagi loses money on their paid customers. If you have a Kagi account you can see how much you cost them. It makes no sense to offer regional pricing unless there is also a way to serve those customers in a cheaper way.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by worldsavior »

Gigachad wrote: post #84
worldsavior wrote: post #83

This is actually very scary. It seems like it's going to change the world, for good or bad. It feels like technology is about to rule us.

I'm imagining some action movie plot. The AI system has gone rouge, the military general calls out to the engineers: "Quick, exploit the system and shut it down" "We can't sir, it's written in Rust"

Haha let's hope the maximum will be just this situation.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by synaesthesisx »

Google search has degraded so much (thanks to blogspam gaming SEO, and Google as a predominantly ads business optimizing for...well ads), that most of us likely append "reddit" or "site:reddit.com" to our Google search queries to get better quality results.

ChatGPT is so insanely good, especially for actual knowledge - that it will likely replace Google as the default search for many people.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by unflxw »

westoncb wrote: post #118
unflxw wrote: post #97

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Sure, but because it's a chat bot, you can then ask: "Cool, so how would you do the thing you just told me to do?" I just pasted the manifest and the main script and asked it how to port it. It was basically a one-shot. Here's the port: https://github.com/unflxw/chat-gpt-google-extension The README includes the conversation I had in order to port it. Close to zero thinking necessary. I have never worked on a browser…

This is super cool. Curious how much work it was to discern the `[blabbery omitted]` sections. Were you generally able to tell right away that they were nonsense? Or did you have to spend significant time following dead ends it recommended?

Most of the "blabbery omitted" bits are just one-paragraph summaries of the rest of the answer above. It wasn't nonsense, it was just repetitive fluff, and the README was already way too long.

ChatGPT likes mimicking its own previous style, so after it ended its first message with a paragraph like "Overall, porting a Firefox extension to Chrome is doable, but it requires knowledge of the differences...", it kept closing its following messages with similar ending summaries.

The one bit where I refer to it as "nonsensical modification suggestions" was where it suggested that, in addition to changing `chrome.runtime.connect()` to `browser.runtime.connect()`, it told me that:

- I needed to use `document.querySelector`, because Firefox does not support `document.getElementByID` (very clearly not true if you're familiar with DOM APIs)

- I needed to change `classList.add` to `classList.add`, because Chrome supports `classList.add`, but Firefox supports `classList.add` instead (yes those are the exact same thing)

It did make me think for a moment: "what, really, Firefox does not support `getElementByID`? wait, no, of course not, the bot's just saying words."

In this case, it did not get me stuck debugging anything. In other conversations, where I've tried to "play dumb" and follow exactly what it tells me to do, it has sent me down the wrong path. But if you keep telling it "no, that's not working, how can I solve ", or you give it additional information, it usually corrects course.

I've also seen it say, "well, I don't know what's going on, but the problem must be around this line of code, insert a console log here to see what's going on with this specific value", which was actually good debugging advice, and then you can paste the output of the console log to it, and it takes it into account.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by dgellow »

Xelynega wrote: post #92
dgellow wrote: post #59

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Tell it what is wrong and why, it is surprisingly good at fixing itself with a bit of help. I was able to guide ChatGPT well enough to make it write an old school racing game using pygame. Start general, see what it gets correct and what should be changed, and give it better indications.

Chatgpt isn't a person though, it didn't fix anything. You gave it a prompt, it gave a result that was close. You add a line to the prompt and it gives you something closer to what you were looking for. It looks more like refining a search pattern(like one might do with an LDAP query) on the part of the operator than it does an algorithm "fixing", "changing", and "being guided". It's interesting how we anthropomorphi…

I don’t think anyone here is confusing ChatGPT for an actual person.

What is really interesting with ChatGPT compared to other interactive software is that you can give instructions the way you would do it with a human. You can literally copy paste a compilation error, with no more context, and it will fix the previous program it generated. Even just pointing vaguely to something like “that does not look correct, you forgot some edge cases” will result in an improved version.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by Sugimot0 »

mk_stjames wrote: post #119
flancian wrote: post #96

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Is it bad I think this is a decent high level algorithm? As in, the user then filling in details or asking the assisting model to fill them in via subsequent prompts seems like a solid start to a problem solving session.

The problem is the part that I denoted as "hand waving". If you are asking it things about coding or other details it seems pretty good at, it can get pretty deep into it and thus that 'hand waving' can be resolved. If you are asking about aerospace engineering concepts at the level of a PhD thesis... it just hand-waves away problems in ways that, when pressed, it cannot give detail on. So, as far an a algorithm goes…

I'm not well versed in this but IIUC the less context/data that exists, the less it should afford the creation of a succinct response, right? This would make sense for the gap between "frontend js api" responses, and "aerospace thesis" responses.

Would it be safe to assume the limiting factor with this or any algo of this type might always be availability of context/data, and these niche questions might always be an edge case?

Are there alglrithms that can reliably extrapolate "new" data/context that does not exist yet and is accurate IRL?

Sorry if my terminology or understanding is way off, I don't know much about this field.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by izacus »

oefrha wrote: post #30
izacus wrote: post #28

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And yet that doesn't mean Google is regularly returning wrong answers like Chat got is. Don't put out this intellectually lazy argument without considering the magnitude of error and user ability to mitigate it.

Give it some time and the Internet will be swamped by AI-generated dubious crap, and at that point Google will lose its advantage.

Oh, that I completely believe in - ChatGPT isn't going to be the saviour of writers, it's going to be used to flood the internet and social media with autogenerated propaganda and submarine marketing in a scale never seen before.
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