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Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by fnordpiglet »

ramraj07 wrote: post #52
Waterluvian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forget where I read this recently but a compelling point made was that this is fun as a nerd toy but to deploy it to something general like Google or Gmail would be overwhelmingly expensive. Reminds me of the, “so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them.” joke from The Simpsons. Eventually it’ll be ridiculously cheap and easy to include anywhere.

I remember estimates of the worth of each search to Google being 10 cents on average. Google does run Bert on many if not all of its searches anyway? And let’s not forget that searching the entire internet is not cheap either! Google holds the entire index in memory and every search hit goes through thousands of machines to return your results. In other words, running chatGPT might not exactly be a problem for google…

If the entire internet is composed of bot written SEO spam, I think you’re spot on.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by frobolo »

unflxw wrote: post #100
jeff_carr wrote: post #32

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Waiting for someone to ask ChatGPT to make a Firefox version of this extension...

Done: https://github.com/unflxw/chat-gpt-google-extension The README includes the conversation I had in order to port it. Close to zero thinking necessary. I have never worked on a browser extension before.

Bravo, and thank you for this.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by cma »

freediver wrote: post #13

This is very creative. Thing to note is that this is not free (or at least it is likely not to be, OpenAI is charging for APIs). We are talking about ~1c per search looking at current GPT pricing (2c per ~750 words in/out). It is also indiscriminate deployed in this way, triggering for every search, even those that chatgpt will show suboptimal responses for, like 'starbucks near me', navigational queries like 'twitte…

Results for the same query can be cached, making the Starbucks near me type queries bypass GPT3 other than the first time across all users.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by freediver »

ramraj07 wrote: post #106
freediver wrote: post #64

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I'd estimate that running a large language model like GPT-3.5 or Lambda is currently 100x-1000x both more expensive and slower to run inference through than a language model like BERT. So deploying it at Google scale is not viable (yet). There is also the question of incentives. If an LLM model can return exactly what the user asked for, where do you put ads? Before the answer, after the answer or inside the answer?…

I can easily see how to monetize it in a minute - whenever the answer involves a recommendation that has monetary value (a product or service) you get the option of choosing what product label to recommend and there’s the monetization angle.

Problem with this is a) product or service recommendations are a tiny fraction of queries and b) gpt3 and any llm would be pretty bad at doing this, because they would exclude any recent product/services (they are trained on data from 1-2 years ago) and c) if the output of llm is changed in a way to replace llm’s recommendation with a paid one, why bother with having a llm in the first place?

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by [deleted] »

ramraj07 wrote: post #105
akiselev wrote: post #78

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It’s definitely deindexing pages. It’s been years since I’ve been able to locate one of my old HN rants via Google Search when it used to be the first result. Before all I had to use was my username + a politician’s name that I’ve only ever used once. After looking up the comment with Algolia and adding more keywords directly from the post, Google just gives up

Genuinely curious, can you give both your name and the politician name in double quotes individually? Google has stopped requiring all terms to be present in search, this is a way of forcing it..

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Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by akiselev »

ramraj07 wrote: post #105
akiselev wrote: post #78

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It’s definitely deindexing pages. It’s been years since I’ve been able to locate one of my old HN rants via Google Search when it used to be the first result. Before all I had to use was my username + a politician’s name that I’ve only ever used once. After looking up the comment with Algolia and adding more keywords directly from the post, Google just gives up

Genuinely curious, can you give both your name and the politician name in double quotes individually? Google has stopped requiring all terms to be present in search, this is a way of forcing it..

If I put the two words in quotes, the only result is this unrelated thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28162412 - I never replied in that thread, so it completely ignored my username despite the quotes but did contain one instance of the other search term.

Just double checked Algolia and I actually have three comments that fit the query. Two posted nine years ago and one posted ten years ago. It's been at least three or four years since I was last able to use Google to find my comment.

Edit: Turns out if quote the entire first line containing the name, Google finds the comment. It seems they're only purging parts of their index

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by westoncb »

unflxw wrote: post #97
mk_stjames wrote: post #71

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This is the same answer format of essentially any deep technical question I've given it. Essentially: 1. Do the thing that is the first thing that is mentioned and that any first year student learning about thing hears about the thing. 2. Do some more complicated things in a hand-wavey manner that solves the problem. 3. Check to see the problem is solved. If it is not, do some more of the hand waving in step 2. 4. Th…

Sure, but because it's a chat bot, you can then ask: "Cool, so how would you do the thing you just told me to do?" I just pasted the manifest and the main script and asked it how to port it. It was basically a one-shot. Here's the port: https://github.com/unflxw/chat-gpt-google-extension The README includes the conversation I had in order to port it. Close to zero thinking necessary. I have never worked on a browser…

This is super cool. Curious how much work it was to discern the `[blabbery omitted]` sections. Were you generally able to tell right away that they were nonsense? Or did you have to spend significant time following dead ends it recommended?

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by mk_stjames »

flancian wrote: post #96
mk_stjames wrote: post #71

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This is the same answer format of essentially any deep technical question I've given it. Essentially: 1. Do the thing that is the first thing that is mentioned and that any first year student learning about thing hears about the thing. 2. Do some more complicated things in a hand-wavey manner that solves the problem. 3. Check to see the problem is solved. If it is not, do some more of the hand waving in step 2. 4. Th…

Is it bad I think this is a decent high level algorithm? As in, the user then filling in details or asking the assisting model to fill them in via subsequent prompts seems like a solid start to a problem solving session.

The problem is the part that I denoted as "hand waving". If you are asking it things about coding or other details it seems pretty good at, it can get pretty deep into it and thus that 'hand waving' can be resolved.

If you are asking about aerospace engineering concepts at the level of a PhD thesis... it just hand-waves away problems in ways that, when pressed, it cannot give detail on.

So, as far an a algorithm goes, the problem becomes determining the computational complexity of the 'hand waving' part. For writing reactJS frontend APIs it seems like it's pretty damn low and thus the AI can spit out code and even fix bugs for you. For developing something that actually took a human 7+ years of undergrad, graduate, and PhD work to ascertain and work out.... no chance.

But yes that general algorithm works for all walks of life essentially and I keep getting a format like that for everything setup I ask about, as if it was trained on 'How to answer a hard technical question in these easy steps...' and it is sticking to that.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by dotancohen »

brigandish wrote: post #103
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #73

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The question is: how does Google monetize chatGPT results? If the answer is right there on the page, what’s the incentive for anyone to click on an ad?

If ads were truly useful we'd click on them anyway. You may be looking for the answer to how to run a VM inside of ChatGPT[0] but the AI also knows you'd like a new pair of headphones so… two birds with one stone! [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33847479

  > the AI also knows you'd like a new pair of headphone
I understand how Google knows that I'm currently searching for a new pair of headphones. But how did _you_ know?!?
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