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Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by Beaver117 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #60
ramraj07 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember estimates of the worth of each search to Google being 10 cents on average. Google does run Bert on many if not all of its searches anyway? And let’s not forget that searching the entire internet is not cheap either! Google holds the entire index in memory and every search hit goes through thousands of machines to return your results. In other words, running chatGPT might not exactly be a problem for google…

Google’s search of “the entire internet” is lacking more and more every year. It’s probably not true at all anymore. It’s probably “the sliver of the Internet we prefer you interacted with.” Any time I search these days I’m amazed at how you can exhaust the search in 1-2 pages before you get to “related hits.”

Yeah, it's clearly lacking. Either de-indexing many pages or just blocking them from the results, even when I use double quotes.

Then I go to Yandex or something and voila, it pops right up. I'm not sure I care enough to pay for Kagi but there's something very wrong with Google (and DDG, and Bing, etc)

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by visarga »

ilaksh wrote: post #42
impulser_ wrote: post #18

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No, because they already have LaMDA which is the same thing, a language model for dialogs. Google could implement that into Google today, but the reason they don't is Google is a 200b/year business. You don't want to mess around with a business of that size for the fun of it. We will probably see it in Google Assistant before they add it too Google. OpenAI doesn't have this worry so they can put their model out into…

Also some Google employees have mentioned on HN that Google has been analyzing similar things and the compute is currently too expensive to make it profitable.

That's the real reason. And the fact that it decreases ad views.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by david_allison »

isthiseasymode wrote: post #53
iLoveOncall wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The tricky part is unlearning how to search. Hum I'd argue that you've never learned how to search. I would have searched for "javascript date to string in specific timezone", and it would have given the following result, which is exactly what ChatGPT gives: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10087819/convert-date-to... Actually, if you already know that you can pass a timezone to toLocaleString(), I would just go…

> I'm starting to understand why there are so many people on HN claiming that "Google has started to give me bad results in recent years". I thought I was going crazy. Googles been working fine for me and I was wondering if I was just being delusional or in denial.

I was served maybe 60-80% spam from Google around 10 months ago (now resolved). The results you see can be significantly different from what others see.

Sample from 10 months ago: https://i.imgur.com/Hla7cyT.jpg

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

#64

Post by freediver »

ramraj07 wrote: post #52
Waterluvian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forget where I read this recently but a compelling point made was that this is fun as a nerd toy but to deploy it to something general like Google or Gmail would be overwhelmingly expensive. Reminds me of the, “so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them.” joke from The Simpsons. Eventually it’ll be ridiculously cheap and easy to include anywhere.

I remember estimates of the worth of each search to Google being 10 cents on average. Google does run Bert on many if not all of its searches anyway? And let’s not forget that searching the entire internet is not cheap either! Google holds the entire index in memory and every search hit goes through thousands of machines to return your results. In other words, running chatGPT might not exactly be a problem for google…

I'd estimate that running a large language model like GPT-3.5 or Lambda is currently 100x-1000x both more expensive and slower to run inference through than a language model like BERT.

So deploying it at Google scale is not viable (yet).

There is also the question of incentives. If an LLM model can return exactly what the user asked for, where do you put ads? Before the answer, after the answer or inside the answer? Any of those is a bad outcome for the user wanting just the answer.

We already witnessed the failure to monetize Alexa with ads - in a purely question answering setting, users will not tolerate anything but the answer itself. Thus, the business model for this needs to be paid AI/search, and Google would be facing innovator's dillema. If I was writing a book about Google, I would love to witness the VP level meetings at Google at this moment.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by alvarezbjm-hn »

david_allison wrote: post #63
isthiseasymode wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm starting to understand why there are so many people on HN claiming that "Google has started to give me bad results in recent years". I thought I was going crazy. Googles been working fine for me and I was wondering if I was just being delusional or in denial.

I was served maybe 60-80% spam from Google around 10 months ago (now resolved). The results you see can be significantly different from what others see. Sample from 10 months ago: https://i.imgur.com/Hla7cyT.jpg

In that resolution, the picture is almost a blurr.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by bko »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #40
bko wrote: post #9

I started trying to use ChatGPT instead of google for a lot of my queries. The tricky part is unlearning how to search. For instance, I had a timestamp 2022-11-27 00:00:00.000 and wanted to display it in local string. The problem was (depending on your time zone) if you do new Date("2022-11-27 00:00:00.000").toLocaleString(), you get 11/26/2022 So I would have googled something like "pass timezone to toLocaleString",…

> The tricky part is unlearning how to search. Hum I'd argue that you've never learned how to search. I would have searched for "javascript date to string in specific timezone", and it would have given the following result, which is exactly what ChatGPT gives: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10087819/convert-date-to... Actually, if you already know that you can pass a timezone to toLocaleString(), I would just go…

But I don't want a specific timezone. I want it to ignore the timezone. I knew it was being thrown off by timezone but was unsure why.

This is one of dozens sometimes hundreds of questions I need answers to every day and want to minimize the friction. I don't want to have to read this unless I don't have to. Sure sometimes if its important enough or I'm curious, but the ChatGPT answer was much better for me. And I get by fine on Google otherwise

function convertTZ(date, tzString) {

    return new Date((typeof date === "string" ? new Date(date) : date).toLocaleString("en-US", {timeZone: tzString}));
}

// usage: Asia/Jakarta is GMT+7

convertTZ("2012/04/20 10:10:30 +0000", "Asia/Jakarta") // Tue Apr 20 2012 17:10:30 GMT+0700 (Western Indonesia Time)

// Resulting value is regular Date() object

const convertedDate = convertTZ("2012/04/20 10:10:30 +0000", "Asia/Jakarta")

convertedDate.getHours(); // 17

// Bonus: You can also put Date object to first arg

const date = new Date()

convertTZ(date, "Asia/Jakarta") // current date-time in jakarta.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by david_allison »

alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #65
david_allison wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was served maybe 60-80% spam from Google around 10 months ago (now resolved). The results you see can be significantly different from what others see. Sample from 10 months ago: https://i.imgur.com/Hla7cyT.jpg

In that resolution, the picture is almost a blurr.

Seems fine to me

     curl -O https://i.imgur.com/Hla7cyT.jpeg && sips -g pixelHeight -g pixelWidth -g dpiWidth -g dpiHeight Hla7cyT.jpeg

    pixelHeight: 2009
    pixelWidth: 1879
    dpiWidth: 72.000
    dpiHeight: 72.000

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by echelon »

tzm wrote: post #55
echelon wrote: post #48

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The true killer apps will come when StabilityAI or another group releases an open source equivalent of GPT-3.5. Compare Dall-E to the creative explosion that arose from Stable Diffusion. Nobody is going to build the next Google atop OpenAI APIs except for OpenAI themselves. An open source model and pretrained weights will open the playing field for everyone to compete with Google.

Stable diffusion for davinci003 is coming

I can't wait!

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by blablabla123 »

li4ick wrote: post #15

ChatGPT is an absolute game changer. And I was very conservative with systems like GPT and DALLE-2. For example, I've been very lazy with automating some things on my work laptop, using Powershell. Now, I just had to ask ChatGPT for "write a powershell script that toggles "use setup script" in the windows proxy settings" and I was done in 5 minutes. Amazing. I foresee a paradigm shift in how we use Google in the next…

> And I was very conservative with systems like GPT and DALLE-2

Yeah those are impressive but basically toys. Although at the moment it's clearly still a research prototype. For some things it works really well and beats Google by saving dozens of clicks and repeated searches, for others it's just plain wrong.

Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search

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Post by leobg »

Does ChatGPT actually come with an official API as of now?

Also, regarding that extension: Is that currently using the API key of the person who developed the extension? I believe OpenAI used to have a rule in their terms of service which forbids applications that essentially hand the reins of the API key owner over to third parties.

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