This is excellent. I've already found it valuable in a few searches, and I've only had it installed for 20 minutes.
Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
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Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
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If it’s possible, please create a family plan or regional pricing. I love Kagi but if I were to buy it for my entire family, the bill would be $600/year - more than a month of rent.
In the country where I live (Vietnam) $600 would be 3-4 months wages for many people. Any company that doesn't do regional pricing is only interested in doing business with rich countries. Which sucks but is understandable. I wish they were more honest about it though.
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I remember estimates of the worth of each search to Google being 10 cents on average. Google does run Bert on many if not all of its searches anyway? And let’s not forget that searching the entire internet is not cheap either! Google holds the entire index in memory and every search hit goes through thousands of machines to return your results. In other words, running chatGPT might not exactly be a problem for google…
The question is: how does Google monetize chatGPT results? If the answer is right there on the page, what’s the incentive for anyone to click on an ad?
If ads were truly useful we'd click on them anyway. You may be looking for the answer to how to run a VM inside of ChatGPT[0] but the AI also knows you'd like a new pair of headphones so… two birds with one stone!
Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
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This is the same answer format of essentially any deep technical question I've given it. Essentially: 1. Do the thing that is the first thing that is mentioned and that any first year student learning about thing hears about the thing. 2. Do some more complicated things in a hand-wavey manner that solves the problem. 3. Check to see the problem is solved. If it is not, do some more of the hand waving in step 2. 4. Th…
Sure, but because it's a chat bot, you can then ask: "Cool, so how would you do the thing you just told me to do?" I just pasted the manifest and the main script and asked it how to port it. It was basically a one-shot. Here's the port: https://github.com/unflxw/chat-gpt-google-extension The README includes the conversation I had in order to port it. Close to zero thinking necessary. I have never worked on a browser…
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Yeah, it's clearly lacking. Either de-indexing many pages or just blocking them from the results, even when I use double quotes. Then I go to Yandex or something and voila, it pops right up. I'm not sure I care enough to pay for Kagi but there's something very wrong with Google (and DDG, and Bing, etc)
It’s definitely deindexing pages. It’s been years since I’ve been able to locate one of my old HN rants via Google Search when it used to be the first result. Before all I had to use was my username + a politician’s name that I’ve only ever used once. After looking up the comment with Algolia and adding more keywords directly from the post, Google just gives up
Genuinely curious, can you give both your name and the politician name in double quotes individually? Google has stopped requiring all terms to be present in search, this is a way of forcing it..
Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
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I remember estimates of the worth of each search to Google being 10 cents on average. Google does run Bert on many if not all of its searches anyway? And let’s not forget that searching the entire internet is not cheap either! Google holds the entire index in memory and every search hit goes through thousands of machines to return your results. In other words, running chatGPT might not exactly be a problem for google…
I'd estimate that running a large language model like GPT-3.5 or Lambda is currently 100x-1000x both more expensive and slower to run inference through than a language model like BERT. So deploying it at Google scale is not viable (yet). There is also the question of incentives. If an LLM model can return exactly what the user asked for, where do you put ads? Before the answer, after the answer or inside the answer?…
I can easily see how to monetize it in a minute - whenever the answer involves a recommendation that has monetary value (a product or service) you get the option of choosing what product label to recommend and there’s the monetization angle.
Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the same answer format of essentially any deep technical question I've given it. Essentially: 1. Do the thing that is the first thing that is mentioned and that any first year student learning about thing hears about the thing. 2. Do some more complicated things in a hand-wavey manner that solves the problem. 3. Check to see the problem is solved. If it is not, do some more of the hand waving in step 2. 4. Th…
Sure, but because it's a chat bot, you can then ask: "Cool, so how would you do the thing you just told me to do?" I just pasted the manifest and the main script and asked it how to port it. It was basically a one-shot. Here's the port: https://github.com/unflxw/chat-gpt-google-extension The README includes the conversation I had in order to port it. Close to zero thinking necessary. I have never worked on a browser…
I'd really love to see a shootout between two people who weren't familiar with extension programming (but who have some programming knowledge) be given that task (port this github repo for a chrome extension to work and be installable on Firefox) with one person just using normal google-fu and the other person doing what you did, and watch how long it takes them.
I actually wrote a few VS Code extensions recently starting from zero knowledge of the package formatting for them, and I wonder how much different my time spent doing it would have been if I would have just asked this bot to help. There was a lot of regex involved and hell just using chatGPT to explain to me some of the ways I could be matching strings with whatever format of regex tmLanguage uses would have probably saved me a lot of googling.
Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it’s possible, please create a family plan or regional pricing. I love Kagi but if I were to buy it for my entire family, the bill would be $600/year - more than a month of rent.
In the country where I live (Vietnam) $600 would be 3-4 months wages for many people. Any company that doesn't do regional pricing is only interested in doing business with rich countries. Which sucks but is understandable. I wish they were more honest about it though.
> Any company that doesn't do regional pricing is only interested in doing business with rich countries. Which sucks but is understandable. I wish they were more honest about it though.
This may be true if your cost per client/customer/etc is either negligible (such as with digital goods delivery), or dependent on their country (eg. retail).
Here, the bulk of their cost is computing resources, and they (according to their profile page) don't even make enough to cover it with the current price. I don't think this cost would go down with the customer location.
Yeah, it sucks a lot that people in rich countries can afford things people in other countries cannot, but that's kinda what "rich country" means.
Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
#109This is very creative. Thing to note is that this is not free (or at least it is likely not to be, OpenAI is charging for APIs). We are talking about ~1c per search looking at current GPT pricing (2c per ~750 words in/out). It is also indiscriminate deployed in this way, triggering for every search, even those that chatgpt will show suboptimal responses for, like 'starbucks near me', navigational queries like 'twitte…
If it’s possible, please create a family plan or regional pricing. I love Kagi but if I were to buy it for my entire family, the bill would be $600/year - more than a month of rent.
Will you have a family plan?
Yes, in the future we will also offer the family plan. It will allow for adding multiple accounts under the same billing. And it will include powerful options for kids (Kagi for Kids) including control over the acceptable content.
Re: Show HN: Chrome extension to display ChatGPT response besides Google Search
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the country where I live (Vietnam) $600 would be 3-4 months wages for many people. Any company that doesn't do regional pricing is only interested in doing business with rich countries. Which sucks but is understandable. I wish they were more honest about it though.
> Any company that doesn't do regional pricing is only interested in doing business with rich countries. Which sucks but is understandable. I wish they were more honest about it though. This may be true if your cost per client/customer/etc is either negligible (such as with digital goods delivery), or dependent on their country (eg. retail). Here, the bulk of their cost is computing resources, and they (according to…
I’m curious about their economics. I would assume there’s a huge upfront fixed cost but the marginal unit cost is tiny. They may not be breaking even or run at even, but that (I expect) is because they’re struggling to overcome that first hump of the fixed cost, but at the margin they’re doing well. I would be flabbergasted if my monthly is going to pay for my search transactions rather than the ability to execute any search at all. In that model you can in fact offer regional pricing as long as there’s a critical mass sufficient to justify the localization and regional edge deployments. You can go even further and let larger (in dollar space) regions subsidize smaller regions while they grow critical mass. Some companies I’ve worked at felt offering their service globally was worth the depressed margins even if they never made it make economic sense simply because it was useful enough - but also it creates a solid global brand. Anyway Kagi is great and I wish them the best of fortunes.