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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by thefounder »

fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

Sure, let's move some of that production to Vietnam because they are good communists!

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Post by ignoramous »

adventured wrote: post #273
ignoramous wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That benefit overlooks a lot of human cost involved. And if you're being real, you'd know the major beneficiary is Apple. The American companies aren't quite the saviors that folks might think they are.

You'll be unable to paint an alternative scenario for bypassing the process of gradual wage increases because it would never work in reality. What was China going to do, warp straight to having an economy with $60,000 GDP per capita? If things actually worked that way, countries as diverse as Romania, Indonesia, India, Vietnam, Pakistan, Mexico - they'd all do it too. It doesn't work that way. You have to move up, gr…

That's all well and good, but today's mega corps are leeches. And the world is more connected and less isolated. Things are very different from the 1950s to the 1980s to now.

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Post by SamReidHughes »

ignoramous wrote: post #300
SamReidHughes wrote: post #272

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Vague hand-waving about "human cost" of having factories that employ people is a load of abstract obscurantist nonsense.

Not sure if you're trolling but this wasn't even hard to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practices_of_Apple_Inc.#Manufa... I wish sometimes folks could see past their paychecks, privilege, and holier-than-thou attitude. That's too much to ask. I mean, better chances at holding Apple accountable than dealing with its notorious fanbois.

I don't have a paycheck, I'm living off capital gains, thank you. Your argument is a great example of throwing a pile of words (via your link) at a question and missing entirely, because the question is, "Does foreign investment in manufacturing make workers of a country better off?" and the answer is, "Yes, vastly."

But thank you for pointing out that Communist governance is awful, we're in agreement there.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by ignoramous »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #303
ignoramous wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you're trolling but this wasn't even hard to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practices_of_Apple_Inc.#Manufa... I wish sometimes folks could see past their paychecks, privilege, and holier-than-thou attitude. That's too much to ask. I mean, better chances at holding Apple accountable than dealing with its notorious fanbois.

I don't have a paycheck, I'm living off capital gains, thank you. Your argument is a great example of throwing a pile of words (via your link) at a question and missing entirely, because the question is, "Does foreign investment in manufacturing make workers of a country better off?" and the answer is, "Yes, vastly." But thank you for pointing out that Communist governance is awful, we're in agreement there.

Tell me you didn't read the link, and we can both go off on our merry ways? If you did, I want to know precisely which part about 'human cost' is hard for you to understand. Set aside the 'oh you poor lot, without american money you're toast' attitude for a second (it isn't charity!), and then try to reason about it all (including the profits going back into the american coffers).

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Post by SamReidHughes »

ignoramous wrote: post #304
SamReidHughes wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a paycheck, I'm living off capital gains, thank you. Your argument is a great example of throwing a pile of words (via your link) at a question and missing entirely, because the question is, "Does foreign investment in manufacturing make workers of a country better off?" and the answer is, "Yes, vastly." But thank you for pointing out that Communist governance is awful, we're in agreement there.

Tell me you didn't read the link, and we can both go off on our merry ways? If you did, I want to know precisely which part about 'human cost' is hard for you to understand. Set aside the 'oh you poor lot, without american money you're toast' attitude for a second (it isn't charity!), and then try to reason about it all (including the profits going back into the american coffers).

You're not actually computing the answer to whether foreign investment made the Chinese vastly better off. The answer is, it did. You can even absorb an entire Wikipedia section into the question without considering the counterfactual of what unemployment or lower-wage factor employment or agrarian employment practices were like, and the answer is yes, it did.

> then try to reason about it all (including the profits going back into the american coffers).

Apple's profits come from their customers giving them money, not the Chinese employees, who took profits as well.

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Post by Havoc »

achenatx wrote: post #197

wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.

Don't think tax breaks are enough to close the gap. Cheap labour is...very cheap

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Post by ignoramous »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #305
ignoramous wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me you didn't read the link, and we can both go off on our merry ways? If you did, I want to know precisely which part about 'human cost' is hard for you to understand. Set aside the 'oh you poor lot, without american money you're toast' attitude for a second (it isn't charity!), and then try to reason about it all (including the profits going back into the american coffers).

You're not actually computing the answer to whether foreign investment made the Chinese vastly better off. The answer is, it did. You can even absorb an entire Wikipedia section into the question without considering the counterfactual of what unemployment or lower-wage factor employment or agrarian employment practices were like, and the answer is yes, it did. > then try to reason about it all (including the profits…

> You're not actually computing the answer to whether foreign investment made the Chinese vastly better off.

That could have happened without humans being treated like cattle. I don't think that's hard to compute? If it is, no amount of 'what else could the american capitalists do if not leverage lower wage structures to their advantage' justifies that, I am sorry.

> Apple's profits come from their customers giving them money, not the Chinese employees, who took profits as well.

Employees took the profits? The profits trickled down from one mega corp to another; the line workers had to pay for it with their health. Answering "why wouldn't Apple build iPhones in the US" makes the capitalist designs plenty clear (which isn't a bad thing, and there are all kinds of ways to make money, but after a reaching a certain scale and seemingly bottomless capacity to generate revenue, it should start to matter just how it is made, as well).

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by RC_ITR »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #277
RC_ITR wrote: post #240

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Exactly. Tim Cook was the supply chain guy. He became CEO because he was the only one as maniacally focused as Jobs, as proven to Steve by his willingness to make a literal deal with the devil. The India plan will probably stick because Apple feels burned by zero covid and won’t keep themselves open to that kind of risk going forward.

Wouldn't India be similarly volatile? To an extent, it is possible to compare any country to the phenomenon that is China. Isn't the current government run by a wannabe strongman (sorry, but I cannot bring myself to use the word "strong" in earnest next to that kind of politician) the type of administrator who has shown recently to do all kinds of random moves for the sake of posturing/self-imposed grandieur?

Risk is what it is.

What you want is uncorrelated risk (that way, you always have some capacity available.)

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