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Iran abolishes morality police

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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by smcl »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #199
smcl wrote: post #82

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BBC are reporting it: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63850656 Al Jazeera too: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/4/iran-prosecutor-gen... RTE: https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/1204/1339880-iran-moralit... and plenty more besides. I have no idea if it's a sincere declaration (like, maybe they'll still enforce these laws but using regular police instead of the morality police, for example) but "Iran c…

*Now*, I believe it (well, I believe the announcement has been made) - and I'm cautiously optimistic that the regieme will follow-through on their promise, somehow.

Ah sorry I hadn't realised that there was a narroow moment where it wasn't widely covered yet :) I upvoted, if that's any consolation

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Post by nitwit005 »

LegitShady wrote: post #219
AzzieElbab wrote: post #208

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NYT reprinted the same thing and I am completely lost as to why https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-mor...

the paper of record doesn't appear to post a central list of retractions and errors

https://www.nytimes.com/section/corrections

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Post by timcavel »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #160
brap wrote: post #26

If you've been following Iranian social media, they don't want hijab reforms, they want this regime gone. And this is their Berlin wall moment.

Ha! Follow social media? You mean the one with all the government run bots?

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Post by timcavel »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #208
h11h wrote: post #89

"Iran state television is reporting that the morality police has definitely NOT been removed" https://twitter.com/borzou/status/1599396059251253249

NYT reprinted the same thing and I am completely lost as to why https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-mor...

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Post by [deleted] »

Terretta wrote: post #228
dontbenebby wrote: post #128

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I'm not on Twitter, probably because I blocked Elon.

I haven't posted on the bird site since 2019, but have the app on my iPad so I could read w/o the web popups. I probably open it 1x to 10x a month. I posted an #elongate comment on Mastodon. Next time I opened the bird app (a couple days later) I'd been flagged for "suspicious activity" and cannot proceed without providing a phone number they pinky swear not to misuse. I'm confident this is completely random and not…

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Post by esperent »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #183
Denvercoder9 wrote: post #78

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I wouldn't attach any meaning to an election that didn't allow most candidates to run, had the lowest turnout in history, and still ended up with a significant amount of blank/invalid votes, despite that being explicitly forbidden.

It is a variant of the US system, rather than the rich picking the candidates who can run, the priests do. Sorry, I am teasing but I want to highlight that the problem with pre-selected candidates is a widespread problem undermining democracy in many places. Same applies to Hong Kong were China heavily influenced candidate selection.

It's frustrating to see every discussion about politics in any country being hijacked by Americans saying "yes but in the US".

Get over yourselves and give us space to talk about other countries too. This conversation is not about you.

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Post by moloch-hai »

ethanbond wrote: post #220
moloch-hai wrote: post #215

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This is the theory. In execution, we see the same sort of railroading here as there. US makes less fuss about expression, but is wholly as devoted to curtailing what could affect fortunes of plutocrats. Assange is far from an isolated instance, but it takes only one to prove the case. Assange is perhaps not the best choice, since he illustrates UK's failings more than US's, even if US is the one driving. We might tak…

Chelsea Manning was court-martialed. Military personnel, very reasonably, have a different set of rights and duties than a normal citizen. We can have a conversation about certain punishments or mechanisms and whether they're humane, but an even more basic feature of our system than whether X case was correct or Y punishment is just, is the fact that we can and we do have lively, 24/7 conversations about this stuff.…

Tolerating free expression is a measure of how secure they are.

Years of torture by solitary confinement demonstrate something else.

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Post by ashwagary »

Nursie wrote: post #76
misterspaceman wrote: post #42

"The morality police [...] were established under president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, [and] began patrols in 2006." I didn't realize they were formed that recently; I thought it would have been created at the start of the regime. Yashar Ali (@yashar) on Twitter has been covering these protests extensively. I'm waiting for him to comment on this, but it doesn't appear he's awake yet.

Yeah the explicit morality police were established then and may be dissolved now, but it's not going to change the behaviour of (for example) groups like the Basij, a paramilitary youth group who roam the streets enforcing 'morality' through street violence. I don't believe this represents any real change. (edit -- One group or another has been violently enforcing dress codes in Iran since the revolution itself, the…

>may be dissolved now

I doubt they will ever be dissolved by public or foreign pressure, especially since they consider the protests illegitimate.

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Post by Vespasian »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #229
smcl wrote: post #71

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The GOP really suffered in recent Alaskan elections after they adopted Ranked Choice voting. So expect them to very loudly and strongly oppose it being adopted anywhere, with a lot of bad-faith arguments implying it's a form of electoral corruption/manipulation and holding it up as an example of Democrat trickery.

Ranked-choice voting (STV, IIRC?) was rejected by referendum in the UK because (words to the effect of) “it’s too complicated for the average voter to understand”, according to the Keep FPTP camp. It’s a dumb argument for sure, but now (i.e. post-Brexit referendum) I can’t help but think it’s a valid dumb argument…

I don't think British people are inherently dumber than the people here in Germany.

Here you get two votes (one for the candidate of your district and one for the party. The second vote determines the number of seats while the first one makes sure a local guy gets one if them).

This is much more difficult than just listing candidates in the order you like them and "make sure you include anyone you can somewhat stomach".

Yet I've not heard if anyone being "confused (in the sende that they don't know what to choose) by the German system.

Some people might not fully grasp the system but that's ok (after all most will be intellectually able to understand it).

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Post by andsoitis »

legolas2412 wrote: post #167
andsoitis wrote: post #162

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> As a third world national whose country Which country?

Guatemala,?

I read this on Wikipedia. Immoral.

From the mid- to late 19th century, Guatemala suffered chronic instability and civil strife. Beginning in the early 20th century, it was ruled by a series of dictators backed by the United Fruit Company and the United States government. In 1944, the authoritarian leader Jorge Ubico was overthrown by a pro-democratic military coup, initiating a decade-long revolution that led to sweeping social and economic reforms. A U.S.-backed military coup in 1954 ended the revolution and installed a dictatorship.[10]

From 1960 to 1996, Guatemala endured a bloody civil war fought between the US-backed government and leftist rebels, including genocidal massacres of the Maya population perpetrated by the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala

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