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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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I wouldn't attach any meaning to an election that didn't allow most candidates to run, had the lowest turnout in history, and still ended up with a significant amount of blank/invalid votes, despite that being explicitly forbidden.

It is a variant of the US system, rather than the rich picking the candidates who can run, the priests do. Sorry, I am teasing but I want to highlight that the problem with pre-selected candidates is a widespread problem undermining democracy in many places. Same applies to Hong Kong were China heavily influenced candidate selection.

That's a ridiculous exaggeration. People vote in the primaries as well. Except for Thiel, rich people were uniformly against Trump being nominated.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Because I presume the commenter talking about how this shows them being on their last legs is Western, but mainly because I've seen countless articles about how all this is basically a great opportunity for regime change. If you believe that there's no opportunistic involvement of the various Western governments here, (to the determent of the actual Iranians protesting btw), I have a bridge to sell you. I am a citize…

> If you believe that there's no opportunistic involvement of the various Western governments here, Can you point to any? Knowing the expat Persian community where I live in Germany, the movement against the regime is very much coming from Iranians. It's Iranians on the streets in Tehran without headscarves, Iranians being shot and killed, Iranians marching and organizing demonstrations.

> . It's Iranians on the streets in Tehran without headscarves, Iranians being shot and killed, Iranians marching and organizing demonstrations.

I don't know why people always assume only one thing can ever be true in a given situation. I never suggested it's not an organic movement or that it's not Iranians protesting. That does not mean the West doesn't take advantage of all it can for its own regime change goals. You get articles by U.S. officials saying they want to overthrow Iran fairly openly, say John Bolton, you get U.S. officials speaking at events organized by anti current Iranian regime organizations that themselves are of questionable morals, this is not hard. The main thing is amplification. There are protests in China that are genuine, but overall relatively small, yet they get amplified in the West to seem much bigger.

Why do you think that is? The neocons have certainly desired regime change.

I am going to repeat myself but I am not a fan of the current Iranian government by any means, yet I do not believe overthrowing governments works, if simply because there will always be a feeling then among some parts of the population that it is a puppet, subservient government to whomever helped it win and that they deserve a 'native' government. This fuels a cycle of overthrow and counter-overthrow and does not actually help the people up their standard of living.

We should either support the rights of women globally, including among our Gulf allies and act out of moral principle, rather than some geopolitical chess play - or if we're unwilling to challenge KSA, Egypt, UAE etc. then just shut up about the issue.

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> But one has to pick his battles and better (for us) getting our oil from them than from Russia. Hmm...could you clarify? The human rights situation in the Gulf is much, much worse in the Gulf. Would this be because they're easier to get in line?

I meant that we need to buy our oil somewhere, for now. And unlike Russia they are far away and not an imminent danger. So better be friends with them, even though we don't like it.

> unlike Russia they are far away and not an imminent danger. So better be friends with them, even though we don't like it.

The reason we're no longer on OK terms with Russia is because of Ukraine, yet we're actively helping the likes of KSA and the UAE to do much the same in places like Yemen.

I don't know how we can claim to want to not buy oil/gas from Russia based on moral grounds, yet continue our trade with the Gulf and yet still claim some sort of moral high ground.

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Yes, historically 50% or above of people in NI have wanted to be part of the uk and considered themselves British (often to the point of marching around waving Union Jacks etc). Over time that number has gone down relative to people who consider themselves Irish but the numbers are still fairly equal.

>historically

But wasn’t that back when residents of Ireland and Northern Ireland and other areas were all EU residents, so a lot of these types of arguments were largely academic?

(Versus a post Brexit world where someone could be very suddenly trapped in interactions with a government they don’t consent to live under, but cannot as easily flee?)

Can you understand why cutting off someone’s escape, for lack of a better phrasing, could radicalize them?

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post #223

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I meant that we need to buy our oil somewhere, for now. And unlike Russia they are far away and not an imminent danger. So better be friends with them, even though we don't like it.

> unlike Russia they are far away and not an imminent danger. So better be friends with them, even though we don't like it. The reason we're no longer on OK terms with Russia is because of Ukraine, yet we're actively helping the likes of KSA and the UAE to do much the same in places like Yemen. I don't know how we can claim to want to not buy oil/gas from Russia based on moral grounds, yet continue our trade with the…

That's what I mean, who cares about moral ground when one's own security is on the plate. See how quickly Finland and Sweden dropped their support of Kurds when it was obstructing (via Turkey) their NATO ascension. Even the Kurds have to understand this.

I also only give to charity when I'm not broke. Not everyone is Mother Theresa all the time and that should be OK. It's not 0 or 1.

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Yes, historically 50% or above of people in NI have wanted to be part of the uk and considered themselves British (often to the point of marching around waving Union Jacks etc). Over time that number has gone down relative to people who consider themselves Irish but the numbers are still fairly equal.

>historically But wasn’t that back when residents of Ireland and Northern Ireland and other areas were all EU residents, so a lot of these types of arguments were largely academic? (Versus a post Brexit world where someone could be very suddenly trapped in interactions with a government they don’t consent to live under, but cannot as easily flee?) Can you understand why cutting off someone’s escape, for lack of a bet…

Anyone born in Northern Ireland can claim both a British and Irish passport, and therefore, all people born in Northern Ireland can claim EU citizenship.

Separately, people with British passports can live and work in Ireland without a visa, and vice versa, because both are part of the CTA.

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Very clearly the poster is talking about restraints caused by vocal sub-cultural shifts, not about pre-frontal abilities.

Given that the OP compared their situation to the morality police in Iran, where dissenters tend to be hung from cranes I'm not so sure what restraints they think they're living under. Few things are more cringeworthy than people in free Western countries pretending they're living in the Soviet Union. I say my honest opinion all the time. When people say this stuff, can we get a concrete example for something you "ju…

I personally do not have notable examples in my environment because of its specifics, but I have read a few interventions from Niall Ferguson (material from probably around 2018) about angry mobs impeding conferences of a "disliked" people (including his wife).

Anyway, to the theoretical point: if you have a wave of some phenomenon (e.g. "mobbing" - not in the present typical use, but in the present context) that expresses in different ways owing to the specifics of the hosting environment, the change in its expression is relatively accidental. If you had drunkenness in the lab and in the pub, what is more cringeworthy one could say that is to find it in the lab.

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This thread provides some context: https://twitter.com/borzou/status/1599344163769978880 "Iran abolishes morality police" is a bad way to describe what really happened it seems: >So amazing how many news outlets are going with the "Iran abolishes morality police" line based on a convoluted quote from one official. In reality morality police have been inactive since protests started, but there is no substantive news o…

I'm not on Twitter, probably because I blocked Elon.

I haven't posted on the bird site since 2019, but have the app on my iPad so I could read w/o the web popups. I probably open it 1x to 10x a month.

I posted an #elongate comment on Mastodon. Next time I opened the bird app (a couple days later) I'd been flagged for "suspicious activity" and cannot proceed without providing a phone number they pinky swear not to misuse.

I'm confident this is completely random and not correlated at all.

// I was already blue check.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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The party system in the US does feel rigged to entrench the two remaining parties in the US. My hope is dropping first past the pole and adding ranked choice will help break up the duopoly. Still, there are glimmers of hope now and again. Like Ross Pero running as independent or the Bull Moose party.

The GOP really suffered in recent Alaskan elections after they adopted Ranked Choice voting. So expect them to very loudly and strongly oppose it being adopted anywhere, with a lot of bad-faith arguments implying it's a form of electoral corruption/manipulation and holding it up as an example of Democrat trickery.

Ranked-choice voting (STV, IIRC?) was rejected by referendum in the UK because (words to the effect of) “it’s too complicated for the average voter to understand”, according to the Keep FPTP camp.

It’s a dumb argument for sure, but now (i.e. post-Brexit referendum) I can’t help but think it’s a valid dumb argument…

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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> what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change [removed: a reference to The Troubles] A minority of people can feel very, very strongly about something without the majority of people feeling that way. > [the] part of the population [that supports the Iranian regime] is generally a smaller part Happy to believe that, but where’s the data? That some people are clearly very angry at the monstr…

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> if you do someone like me might send men into your home to drag you out by the ponytail like it's Belfast in the 80s

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