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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by selimthegrim » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #255

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #138

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>India, being a democracy, means that governments have to give in to demands of voter groups Love how everyone is throwing around the word "democracy" in this thread like saying it makes hot true and that it has some specific meaning. The only reason Apple is moving there is because it is NOT a democracy. 'Electoral autocracy': The downgrading of India's democracy https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56393944

Propaganda. The government of my state is led by a party that came into existence less than a decade ago. Every election has literally hundreds of candidates from hundreds of parties competing. I can and have criticized the government on online and offline mediums Sure, there is pushback from government supporters, but that doesn’t mean there is no democracy. As it is practiced, democracy is thriving in India.

Do you live in Assam, Manipur or Kashmir? Are you Adivasi?

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by Qtips87 » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #278

Qtips87 wrote: post #262

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India has never been a democracy in the sense that the Westerners understood it. India is also a fucking land grabber. It has land grabbed every single of its neighbors once the British left town. You never hear it in the West because it doesn't fit the narrative the West has on India.

Could you please expand a bit on the land-grabbing part? I would love to learn more.

I might add that India acquired a new territory dispute with Nepal just a few several years ago by unilaterally publishing a new map incorporating what used to be part of Nepal territory (according to India's old map) into India's new map. The action triggered a counteract by the Nepalese government when it published its own map.

These newly acquired disputed territory is different than the old dispute of Kalapani. In that case India requested Nepal to grant India access to Kalapani to better monitor China's troop movement during the 1962 war with China because Kalapani is on a high ground. The problem is once India squatted on that land it never leave and is still squatting on Kalapani to this day.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 7:59 PM UTC

bpicolo wrote: post #284

achenatx wrote: post #197

wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.

Doesn't much of South America have insane import taxes? They'd have to solve that first.

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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by vl » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 8:02 PM UTC

simonbarker87 wrote: post #203

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #187

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>At the scale these things work out there’s no way to really “have a backup” not in the true sense that backup means. If you build a factory you use a factory Not really true at all... I mean, if you want to scale, just build another line? I worked on Capex at Tesla and there was explicit talks of backup factory's. Elon was always talking about WW3 during covid and how we need to massively scale up our operations, ha…

Appreciate the input. I would say that another line at the same location isn’t a back up, that’s scaling and you can choose to run that line or not. It’s not uncommon to run a second or third line at lesser capacity than the primary line (the Nissan plant in Sunderland flex the secondary lines a lot for example). Much of my manufacturing knowledge comes from automotive and it’s very very very rare to run a literal ba…

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And, somewhat ironically (do not put production in dictatorship countries), Nissan lost one of these locations. They sold Russian plant for $1.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by vanilla_nut » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

nottorp wrote: post #164

vanilla_nut wrote: post #126

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I thought the same thing. The iPhone is already quite expensive. It shot up from an MSRP of around $500 to $1000+ in the last 5 years. Clearly the market is willing to pay a large sum for the iPhone, and monthly payment schemes/subscription programs take away 99% of the sticker price shock (for better or for worse). Considering people will by an iPhone almost no matter the price... why not manufacture some in the US,…

That may get some sales in the US. I doubt the Apple customers outside there would be delighted to pay 50% more for that label.

For sure. I wonder if there's an optimization available for a company that centralizes manufacturing for each continent, minimizing the "ship" and "plane" part of shipping costs.

Imagine iPhone factories in West Virginia, Romania, and India, to start. I suppose the economics depend on how much you can spread out component manufacturing: I know TSMC is the only manufacturer even capable of making the top-of-the-line iPhone SoCs at this point, but I suspect batteries, motherboards, cameras, metal, and glass have a little more competition.

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Post by golemiprague » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 8:18 PM UTC

fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

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Post by dopeboy » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 8:25 PM UTC

akmittal wrote: post #173

retskrad wrote: post #44

People love to give Jony Ive and Steve Jobs credit for the iPhone but no one gives Tim Cook credit for keep making the iPhone the most desirable product in the world in 2022.

This comment make it seem like iPhone is suddenly desirable in 2022. iPhone has been leader since the beginning, it does take effort to stay at top but i wonder credit goes to Tim Cook for that.

It takes a massive amount of effort to stay at the top. Yes there’s inertia and lock-in and walled gardens that contribute to folks staying in the apple ecosystem. But that doesn’t mean it’s easy.

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Post by cloutchaser » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 8:35 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #273

ignoramous wrote: post #268

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That benefit overlooks a lot of human cost involved. And if you're being real, you'd know the major beneficiary is Apple. The American companies aren't quite the saviors that folks might think they are.

You'll be unable to paint an alternative scenario for bypassing the process of gradual wage increases because it would never work in reality. What was China going to do, warp straight to having an economy with $60,000 GDP per capita? If things actually worked that way, countries as diverse as Romania, Indonesia, India, Vietnam, Pakistan, Mexico - they'd all do it too. It doesn't work that way. You have to move up, gr…

People forget this is actually what Singapore did. Before being a biotech and tech powerhouse, they were an assembly factory for western companies. Then they slowly expanded from that to airport, tech, airline, etc.

They have a geographic advantage too, but no one had to make Singapore a central shipping hub, it could have been anywhere else.

This is how you do it. There’s no other way. Eastern Europe is an interesting work in progress at the same thing. But the Ukraine war has really put a spanner in the works.

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Post by bryans » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 8:41 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #258

saiya-jin wrote: post #250

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> May be for many westerners, but not Apple. They knew exactly what they are doing. Yeah right, the idea that richest company ever didnt do a proper due dilligence and Tim personally didnt have whole + and - list with detailed financial and PR projections of each choice etc. is pretty naïve. I bet stuff thats happening was pretty high on cons list. Everybody who wants to knows how things actually look like in China o…

> Suicides, oppression, child labor. Yet they couldnt care less and the only reason to move away is disruption of supply. ... Ladies and gentlement there you have it, true morals of yet another big corporation, not worse but certainly not better. Do you have a link to reports on Apple utilizing child labor, from which your conclusion is derived? How much of their labor in China is based on children? From what I've re…

If you had read something about Apple being "extremely vigilant" about eliminating child labor, it was a press release from Apple. It was a bald-faced lie, but it apparently worked, because you're unfortunately perpetuating it (even if unintentionally so).

In reality, Apple has only started to address child labor in the past two years, and that was after being exposed for their continued egregious use of child labor and unwavering support of labor abuses.

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-l...

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-supplier-accused-of-us...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-u...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-chi...

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by ignoramous » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

SamReidHughes wrote: post #272

ignoramous wrote: post #268

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That benefit overlooks a lot of human cost involved. And if you're being real, you'd know the major beneficiary is Apple. The American companies aren't quite the saviors that folks might think they are.

Vague hand-waving about "human cost" of having factories that employ people is a load of abstract obscurantist nonsense.

Not sure if you're trolling but this wasn't even hard to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practices_of_Apple_Inc.#Manufa...

I wish sometimes folks could see past their paychecks, privilege, and holier-than-thou attitude. That's too much to ask. I mean, better chances at holding Apple accountable than dealing with its notorious fanbois.