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Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.

Doing this, and significantly enriching south America, particularly it's tech scene, will dramatically hurt US tech worker wages.

South America is in the same timezones as us. A lot of the failures of outsourcing are due to time zone differences...

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iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

> I will not be surprised Apple will cease the plan in India as soon as China steps back from the zero-covid policy

It seems unlikely that zero Covid is the issue for Apple…

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I’ve been in and around manufacturing for the better part of a decade. I’ve run a small factory myself and have friends and family working at all levels of some of the largest factories in Europe. At the scale these things work out there’s no way to really “have a backup” not in the true sense that backup means. If you build a factory you use a factory - otherwise you’re wasting masses of money. What you should do is…

>At the scale these things work out there’s no way to really “have a backup” not in the true sense that backup means. If you build a factory you use a factory Not really true at all... I mean, if you want to scale, just build another line? I worked on Capex at Tesla and there was explicit talks of backup factory's. Elon was always talking about WW3 during covid and how we need to massively scale up our operations, ha…

Appreciate the input. I would say that another line at the same location isn’t a back up, that’s scaling and you can choose to run that line or not. It’s not uncommon to run a second or third line at lesser capacity than the primary line (the Nissan plant in Sunderland flex the secondary lines a lot for example).

Much of my manufacturing knowledge comes from automotive and it’s very very very rare to run a literal back up factory (as in an unused facility in a different location that’s good to go to replace another factory). They take so much man power to run, so much time to set up that it’s not economically viable to just have it on standby as a back up.

Even if you did there would be masses of business pressure to utilise the capacity.

That’s why I pointed to diversification instead, Nissan make the Qashqai in 3 locations, UK, Russia and Japan (from memory) which gives them a level of resilience but they aren’t back ups.

If Sunderland goes down then Russia and Japan plants can’t just step up and fill in.

Setting up a new factory for the DBX nearly killed Aston Martin (May still do arguably) and that was one being set up ti be used. Not sat idle waiting.

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wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.

Is South America a viable place to setup this kind of manufacturing? Mexico has a lot of car / parts manufacturing as far as I know but beyond that I don’t know.

Nokia used to have a big factory in Mexico. Brazil already makes iPhones since it’s cheaper due to their insane import tax.

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Is South America a viable place to setup this kind of manufacturing? Mexico has a lot of car / parts manufacturing as far as I know but beyond that I don’t know.

Nokia used to have a big factory in Mexico. Brazil already makes iPhones since it’s cheaper due to their insane import tax.

That seems to me like their import tax is working.

I wish more countries had import taxes of this sort, they tend to push the nation to be a bit more diversified in their economy since they provide air cover for small local concerns.

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I don't know where people get the idea people are semi-enslaved in factories.. Having lived in China, in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. Somewhere between US and Europe. It's not really easy to fire people and people regularly sue their employers and win. The legal system is generally very heavily biased towards the little guy I just feel really bad for these people. They pr…

Your views of labor law are completely wrong. > in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. And yes, it's very strict. Lawful working hours are 40 hours per week. Lawfully firing a employee requires higher compensation than US. Do you really believe above is enforced in China? Next time when you visiting China, ask them if familiar with this quote: laws in China are strictly legislat…

"strictly legislated, commonly broke, selectively enforced"

This is what Westerners, who are used to rule of law, do not understand about authoritarian countries. Selective enforcement of laws is the preferred way to punish transgressors.

In Chechnya, the Kadyrovite kingdom, there is a crossroads with a traffic light that is always red. It never turns green. People routinely drive through that traffic light on red, because it can't be done otherwise.

Why is the traffic light even there? The side road connects to a Kadyrovite palace. If there is any accident with any vehicle coming from that palace, the normal driver on the main road is automatically at fault - because he disrespected a red light.

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India's timing on "Make in India" couldn't have been more fortuitous. The Modi government started hyping Make in India in 2019, if memory serves. Nothing came off it for a while until things started moving in 2021. And now, by 2022, India seems poised to take over some manufacturing from China.

Better lucky than good, I guess.

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Wrong. The protest is about compensation, the workers were promised to have 10k once they get pass the probation period, 3 months. They were let go before the 3 month probation finished, and they demand the payment. You don't just go around developing world and criticize people not eating organic food or anything. It is not right. I wish Chinese workers get paid the same amount as their western counterparts, the fact…

Wait, are you saying because China isn't rich, workers shouldn't have rights? I'm legitimately asking, because when you boil down your argument, that's what it sounds like.

No, developing world DOES NOT have a choice, that's a fact. Unless you are sending money every day to developing world, taking their jobs away is basically murdering people. Maybe too much for soft westerns who didn't understand why people risking their lives and their kids' on a boat to Europe.
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