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Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by ibeckermayer »

usrnm wrote: post #70
ls15 wrote: post #54

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> And I will not be surprised Apple will cease the plan in India as soon as China steps back from the zero-covid policy, as if all the blood has not been spilled. I doubt it. The disadvantages of being dependant on a single source are well-understood in 2022.

They were understood just as well 50 years ago, the problem is, all these disadvantages are long term. Short term profits always win

*Short term profits always win in a system of de jure financial bailouts and de facto cartels (via regulatory capture, such as the patent system).

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Post by vsskanth »

achenatx wrote: post #197

wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.

You don't need tax breaks. Free trade agreements are good enough. Case in point - Mexico.

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Post by Markoff »

FabHK wrote: post #219
Markoff wrote: post #90

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I think you should read up more in Asia if you think slave labor is unique to China, you can start with Thai fishing industry. Btw not that it would be case with Apple, these are Taiwanese companies with factories in China, so maybe instead blaming China blame the Taiwan, but I understand it's not trendy. Oh and let's not forget "democratic" Vietnam with communist gov censoring internet and imprisoning people for opi…

Or about the people forced to run Bitcoin scams in Sihanoukville, Cambodia.

I guess that would still be improvement from infamous Chicken farm.

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Post by amelius »

Sebb767 wrote: post #178
amelius wrote: post #117

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I bet if you ask city people to either kill an animal or grab a shrink-wrapped package containing a vegetarian meat substitute, by far the majority would choose the latter.

But you're also comparing apples to oranges. I would take the shrink-wrapped thing to, just because I have neither the means nor the skill to slaughter (or store) an animal. Offer people to either get a crate of raw soy or kill an animal, then we are at a comparable level.

Ok, if it was not clear, add:

... under comparable circumstances.

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Post by amelius »

wil421 wrote: post #221
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #106

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> What aspect of China makes the West look like a 'backwater'? Compare China homicide rates to USA. Or China incarceration rate to USA incarceration rate.

China has less prisoners and the fastest wait times for organ transplants.

The combination of those two things make it sound very suspicious ...

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Post by kshacker »

slaw wrote: post #118
papito wrote: post #80

What was unthinkable in 2020 is now thinkable in 2022. Can Russia just start a major land war in Europe, wiping out whole cities? Sounds crazy. Nnnope. "Chinese President Xi Jinping has ordered the country’s military to develop the ability to take control of Taiwan by 2027, according to CIA official David Cohen." https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/09/21/china-seize-taiwan... Tim Cook is not an idiot. He knows that t…

China started going downhill few years after Xi took power. Musk knew it and invested in China anyway. If he was 10% as smart as media portrayed him until recently, he would build factory in Vietnam, Thailand or Mexico.

I do not see a problem in building in China if you are going to sell in China. Just build enough to take care of China demand, give or take a few percent, so even if China goes to war, or kicks you out, or whatever ... the rest of the world does not suffer. That way China also knows they have only so little control on you.

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Post by zip1234 »

ticviking wrote: post #207
limitedmage wrote: post #204

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Nokia used to have a big factory in Mexico. Brazil already makes iPhones since it’s cheaper due to their insane import tax.

That seems to me like their import tax is working. I wish more countries had import taxes of this sort, they tend to push the nation to be a bit more diversified in their economy since they provide air cover for small local concerns.

Doesn't really work for small countries.

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Post by georgeplusplus »

fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

I feel the western general population shares responsibility. We all know whats going on and are told repeatedly but don't care or act.

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Post by RC_ITR »

ksec wrote: post #186
fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

>Apple and many westerners never understand the risk and the ethics implication of doing business in China. May be for many westerners, but not Apple. They knew exactly what they are doing. >It turns out that in spite of all values that Apple promotes, it actually cares about nothing but the profit and its comfortable zone in China. Which is the worst part of it all. Their insane hypocrisy. Now that Apple is only mov…

Exactly. Tim Cook was the supply chain guy.

He became CEO because he was the only one as maniacally focused as Jobs, as proven to Steve by his willingness to make a literal deal with the devil.

The India plan will probably stick because Apple feels burned by zero covid and won’t keep themselves open to that kind of risk going forward.

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