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Nokia used to have a big factory in Mexico. Brazil already makes iPhones since it’s cheaper due to their insane import tax.
That seems to me like their import tax is working. I wish more countries had import taxes of this sort, they tend to push the nation to be a bit more diversified in their economy since they provide air cover for small local concerns.
> Apple’s longer-term goal is to ship 40% to 45% of iPhones from India, compared with a single-digit percentage currently, according to Ming-chi Kuo, an analyst at TF International Securities who follows the supply chain. Suppliers say Vietnam is expected to shoulder more of the manufacturing for other Apple products such as AirPods, smartwatches and laptops.
I'm surprised it's so low. I know that they already have very established processes in China, and their contractors have probably invested a lot in tooling for those factories, but it seems interesting that they would still prefer to move less that 50% of their capacity there. Maybe they see India as carrying its own risks?
iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
I don't know where people get the idea people are semi-enslaved in factories.. Having lived in China, in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. Somewhere between US and Europe. It's not really easy to fire people and people regularly sue their employers and win. The legal system is generally very heavily biased towards the little guy I just feel really bad for these people. They pr…
People are afraid to say 'fk China' blindly so they have to say it under disguise of some moral ground.
India's timing on "Make in India" couldn't have been more fortuitous. The Modi government started hyping Make in India in 2019, if memory serves. Nothing came off it for a while until things started moving in 2021. And now, by 2022, India seems poised to take over some manufacturing from China. Better lucky than good, I guess.
If Apple want to exit China for geopolitical reason it should move to Vietnam. Western manufacturers have set up shops in India before and there were few successful stories and many have exit eventually. Ford for example exit India after not turning a profit for decades. When people point out India's problem it is the usual suspect like government red tapes, poor infrastructure, unreliable electric grid...etc. Some e…
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I don't know where people get the idea people are semi-enslaved in factories.. Having lived in China, in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. Somewhere between US and Europe. It's not really easy to fire people and people regularly sue their employers and win. The legal system is generally very heavily biased towards the little guy I just feel really bad for these people. They pr…
Your views of labor law are completely wrong. > in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. And yes, it's very strict. Lawful working hours are 40 hours per week. Lawfully firing a employee requires higher compensation than US. Do you really believe above is enforced in China? Next time when you visiting China, ask them if familiar with this quote: laws in China are strictly legislat…
In office job it is very different, you hardly get compensation for overtime, but if you go to court you definitely can get the money. The real reason is that those jobs are best paid, a few times more than other people, so people typically only sue their companies after they are fired. Yes, sometimes people worry about not finding another job, so they will accept what's been forced on them.
iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
I think if you'll ask the suppressed people of Xinjiang, you'll find that they disagree.
> It turns out that in spite of all values that Apple promotes, it actually cares about nothing but the profit
How is Apple responsible for the Chinese Zero-COVID policy, and the actions of the Chinese police?
Have you read Apple's extensive policies on Supply Chain standards and ethics? https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/
> Apple has utilized the cheap labor at a level where can never be possible in the civilized world,
I'll just post this here from https://www.semafor.com/article/11/30/2022/apples-chinese-dr...:
> China is also no longer cheap. Wages have skyrocketed, with the average factory worker making $6 per hour on average in 2020, up from less than a dollar in 2006. The average wage of a Chinese factory worker will very soon surpass the U.S. federal minimum wage. For comparison, the average rate for a Mexican factory worker has stayed stagnant at $2 per hour.
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> Apple industrial partners are all asians. Samsung and the like don't do any better regarding ethics. You can rightfully complain about labor practices in other Asian countries, but forced labor from concentration camps is a uniquely Chinese atrocity.
I think you should read up more in Asia if you think slave labor is unique to China, you can start with Thai fishing industry. Btw not that it would be case with Apple, these are Taiwanese companies with factories in China, so maybe instead blaming China blame the Taiwan, but I understand it's not trendy. Oh and let's not forget "democratic" Vietnam with communist gov censoring internet and imprisoning people for opi…
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> Apple industrial partners are all asians. Samsung and the like don't do any better regarding ethics. You can rightfully complain about labor practices in other Asian countries, but forced labor from concentration camps is a uniquely Chinese atrocity.
I think you should read up more in Asia if you think slave labor is unique to China, you can start with Thai fishing industry. Btw not that it would be case with Apple, these are Taiwanese companies with factories in China, so maybe instead blaming China blame the Taiwan, but I understand it's not trendy. Oh and let's not forget "democratic" Vietnam with communist gov censoring internet and imprisoning people for opi…
wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.