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Iran abolishes morality police
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#102A good, but small step forward.
Generally speaking for this to have any meaning and takes any effect, being the morality police must become punishable by law. Aka, harassing people for their clothing should become an offence that a judge should rule about.
I read about the government structure and all the parallel forces exist in Iran and I doubt officially abolishing the morality police is going to abolish systematic harassment of people in the street by Basij or other organised/semi organised forces.
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#103American outrage towards the rights of women in Iran is so fake it’s comical. They just banned abortion in several states and not a peep from anyone. Where is the outrage for American women?
I don’t disagree with the point you’re making and I too am angry about abortion bans but I’d hardly say there was “not a peep from anyone”. I heard and continue to hear (and make) a lot of peeps.
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#104It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…
It's way far more complicated than simply a coup. Though it defenitly was a terrible thing to happen.
Iran has never had an effective justice system (religous reasons / kings' economic monopolies). Without one, nothing like a democracy is possible. It was democratic just on the paper.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... That was 70 years ago. Are countries, their people, and their policies immutable? If this was a genuine question and not the snide remark that it appears to be, then a good place to investigate whether or not the UK government has any support for it or not would be to check out BBC Persia. De jure the BBC are not a government entity, but t…
It's also strange how people portray Mossadegh's government at the time of his removal as democratic. If you look at the history[1], Mossadegh had a power struggle had a power struggle with parliament. Mossadegh responded with a fraudulent referendum that dissolved parliament and gave him sole power to rule by fiat, his government claimed 99.94% of voters voted in favor of it. He asked the Shah to call new elections,…
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, I think you could tell quite well what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change. Im sure there is a part of the population that is vested with the current system but that is generally a smaller part that is working in that system and which is somewhat propped up by manipulted rural masses who may also have had enough of this too.
> what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change [removed: a reference to The Troubles] A minority of people can feel very, very strongly about something without the majority of people feeling that way. > [the] part of the population [that supports the Iranian regime] is generally a smaller part Happy to believe that, but where’s the data? That some people are clearly very angry at the monstr…
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#107It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…
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#108-
Do you work for chatGPT or something? I've seen a lot of really spammy people use phrasing similar to the beginning of your post lately. I'm not flagging you or downvoting you, but you made me raise my eyebrows, I can't tell if posts like these are authentic interaction. (I don't mind if someone's a sincere fan of a service, there's places I've plugged, for lack of better phrasing, if I've found value from them, but…
I just played with it around and wanted to compare what an article about this event would look like.
But maybe it was a bad idea to post it, if we want to stay on topic.
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#109If you've been following Iranian social media, they don't want hijab reforms, they want this regime gone. And this is their Berlin wall moment.
Well, if you've been following Iranian elections you might reach the opposite conclusion... Now, I'm no fan of the Iranian regime, but I doubt you can make trustworthy conclusions about what the public wants from sampling posts on social media. (I wouldn't say that even elections are the end-all of what "the public wants".)
Your comment is suggesting a view of the Iranian elections that is completely separated from reality. Iran is classified as a totalitarian state[1], with only 11 countries in the world getting a lower rating in 2021. The fact that you've been "following" the elections, and you seem to claim that you can draw any meaningful conclusion about them regarding what people in Iran think of their leadership, is simply ridiculous.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if you've been following Iranian elections you might reach the opposite conclusion... Now, I'm no fan of the Iranian regime, but I doubt you can make trustworthy conclusions about what the public wants from sampling posts on social media. (I wouldn't say that even elections are the end-all of what "the public wants".)
Isn't the entire elections system built to reinforce regime legitimacy? All of the candidates have to be approved by the Guardian Council which is controlled by the Supreme Leader, so it's not like they have any threat to the regime itself. It's a way to appear willing to reform without actually reforming.
Fucked up election systems everywhere. If there are basically only two parties by the way the counting works, then the those two parties can do the "approval of candidates" internally.
Main difference being that one system is run by religious group, and the other by the influence of the super-party-donors (aka capitalists).
Either way reform does not happen. Political prisoners (Assange in the west) still rotting in jail. Change is a word reserved manly for election rally banners, once elected they seem to change as little of the status quo as they can get away with.