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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by EGreg »

yywwbbn wrote: post #22
croes wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look what a happened in Egypt

Well they elected religious extremists who weren’t particularly keen about democracy either. I think democracy is more than just majority rule. Of course El-Sisi’s regime is not much better..

It’s gonna be Bibi and Sisi again soon!

And Gaza is in the middle, with millions of trapped people.

There are ways to solve these issues but they involve a regional solution where everyone works together. Like approaching Hamas with a roadmap for building up Gaza and replacing them with moderates and free and fair elections. Or like having all Arab countries agree to offer citizenship and equal rights to people of Palestinian descent who were born in the country and so were their parents. And then after that Israel can offer a right of return to them, so they actually have a choice of where to go. Unfortunately that will take another 10 years to materialize.

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Post by anothernewdude »

sfifs wrote: post #32
sharikous wrote: post #8

That's significant. The ayatollahs came to power thanks to big popular support (audio cassettes of khomeini). Now a popular uprising is specifically against religious restrictions. In the meantime empirically the army has all the power of the sword. That's a step towards sidelining the ayatollahs. I guess we will see if it will evolve toward a military dictatorship (as I predict), a democracy, or the existing religio…

You do realize I assume that in the whole of middle east, Israel and Iran are the only reasonably functional countries where people get to elect their government to some extent and the people leading the government actually change based on the vote? Maybe that's why the governments hate each other :-) Perhaps Lebanon as well but the country has been non-functional for a long time. Every other country including every…

Israel is corrupt and Iran is a dictatorship. If another party decides who can have power in the elected body - that party has power. That's what has happened to Hong Kong, and it's what happens in Iran.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by easytiger »

marcosdumay wrote: post #60
Matl wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question; What motivation should a government like Iran's have to listen, if any concession it does give is seen in the West as a great opportunity to show that it is weak, on its last legs etc. to try and overthrow it? I am not naive enough to think this is the case here , but say theoretically at some point someone with power in such a government has a human moment and actually wants to give some concessions…

Why the fixation on the West? This is an entirely Iranian revolution, lead by their own people, with their own, very plain goals.

Iranian government and it's clerical regime use populist anti western ideas to largely justify their existence.

Like most Arab elite, the Persian elite are preoccupied with the Anglosphere

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Post by Matl »

marcosdumay wrote: post #60
Matl wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question; What motivation should a government like Iran's have to listen, if any concession it does give is seen in the West as a great opportunity to show that it is weak, on its last legs etc. to try and overthrow it? I am not naive enough to think this is the case here , but say theoretically at some point someone with power in such a government has a human moment and actually wants to give some concessions…

Why the fixation on the West? This is an entirely Iranian revolution, lead by their own people, with their own, very plain goals.

Because I presume the commenter talking about how this shows them being on their last legs is Western, but mainly because I've seen countless articles about how all this is basically a great opportunity for regime change.

If you believe that there's no opportunistic involvement of the various Western governments here, (to the determent of the actual Iranians protesting btw), I have a bridge to sell you.

I am a citizen of the West and as such I am somewhat indirectly responsible for its actions, so I feel its important to call it out, since its my money also financing its actions.

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Post by Waterluvian »

booleandilemma wrote: post #54
Vespasian wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do China, North Korea or Russia. Sometimes there are even multiple parties. Is there a chance that the people in power (at any level of government) get voted out?

Ha, your comment got me thinking: is there a chance Democrats and Republicans will ever be voted out?

The Whigs did so it’s possible! ;)

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Post by thriftwy »

mtmail wrote: post #33
breitling wrote: post #30

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Not sure everybody understands the F in this context. "F" means paying respect, something gamers comment in video games because in some games you press a button to express that. It's not short for 'fuck'.

Paying respect as in "Rest in peace, Iran"

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by paulryanrogers »

booleandilemma wrote: post #54
Vespasian wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do China, North Korea or Russia. Sometimes there are even multiple parties. Is there a chance that the people in power (at any level of government) get voted out?

Ha, your comment got me thinking: is there a chance Democrats and Republicans will ever be voted out?

The party system in the US does feel rigged to entrench the two remaining parties in the US. My hope is dropping first past the pole and adding ranked choice will help break up the duopoly.

Still, there are glimmers of hope now and again. Like Ross Pero running as independent or the Bull Moose party.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by einpoklum »

brap wrote: post #26

If you've been following Iranian social media, they don't want hijab reforms, they want this regime gone. And this is their Berlin wall moment.

Well, if you've been following Iranian elections you might reach the opposite conclusion... Now, I'm no fan of the Iranian regime, but I doubt you can make trustworthy conclusions about what the public wants from sampling posts on social media. (I wouldn't say that even elections are the end-all of what "the public wants".)

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

lajosbacs wrote: post #7

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Putin made some concessions after protests in 2012. It bought him time to introduce harsh laws with extreme punishments for protests, strengthen riot police and state security. Then he proceeded to crush / jail / force to emigrate everyone who protested.

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

Matl wrote: post #55
lajosbacs wrote: post #7

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Honest question; What motivation should a government like Iran's have to listen, if any concession it does give is seen in the West as a great opportunity to show that it is weak, on its last legs etc. to try and overthrow it? I am not naive enough to think this is the case here , but say theoretically at some point someone with power in such a government has a human moment and actually wants to give some concessions…

>What motivation should a government like Iran's have to listen, if any concession it does give is seen in the West as a great opportunity to show that it is weak, on its last legs etc. to try and overthrow it?

The motivation may be unrelated to how it is seen in the West. We might just be overestimating our own role and importance in Iranian affairs.

Also, certain regimes will always portray its domestic opponents as puppets of foreign interests, regardless of what anyone says or does.

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