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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by mcguire »

memish wrote: post #146
martindbp wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is unfortunately exactly what will happen. What is scary to me is how censorship has become completely accepted by the new generation, including software engineers here in their 20s. No true hacker (this is Hacker News after all) would be OK with corporation or government censorship. Slippery slope is real.

Exactly. Hackers are naturally anti-authoritarian. Anyone who can give you orders can stop you from solving whatever problem you're being fascinated by -- and, given the way authoritarian minds work, will generally find some appallingly stupid reason to do so. So the authoritarian attitude has to be fought wherever you find it, lest it smother you and other hackers. Authoritarians thrive on censorship and secrecy. An…

Are these "hackers" the same ones building the massive databases of personal information that back every modern advertising business?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by skeeter2020 »

tj-teej wrote: post #17
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

It only goes against his "free speech thing" if his "free speech thing" was actually a coherent ideology. Instead his "free speech absolutism" is a brand, it's there to signal what kind of person he is, it's not a set of principles and therefore cannot stand up to scrutiny.

I agree. He's signalling a desired outcome: I'm your free speech champion. His actions do not need to reflect this as long as the intellectually lazy just accept this, and I mean rely on our lazy system 1 to judge and move on, vs. the work of cataloging and analyzing his actual past acts to see if they match his loud words.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by nemo44x »

mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

He was breaking the law in countries Twitter is in. Musk explicitly said you can’t break the law.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by dboreham »

stcroixx wrote: post #179
themitigating wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,” Someone was proposing incitement to violence has a threahold etc. This to me is clearly incitement to violence. Some have claimed he didn't know what "death con" (defcon) means to which I say what could he have possibly meant. It's on Jewish People.

Defcon is a defense term indicating a level of preparedness. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Words matter even if he doesn't know what they mean. Would be very interesting to see that attempted. Personally, I think he probably meant something else that very likely could have been closer to an incitement of violence, but he doesn't have the…

> I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing.

Possibly due to very limited imagination?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by gfodor »

The poster glosses over the thing that Twitter did that wasn't on the content moderation curve: banning people for COVID-19 "misinformation" and "election interference." This is why something needed to be done. Twitter started picking sides of disputed arguments in the public square, choosing to tilt things in the favor of authorities and 'experts.' This was a horrifying trajectory.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by ilyt »

colordrops wrote: post #29
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20

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Swastika is illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

Did he post a swastika? I'm not aware of what exactly got him banned. Wasn't Elon talking about the US anyway? Political speech itself is banned in many countries, so surely that wasn't his measure.

well, somehow something weirder than swastika.

https://www.abdpost.com/elon-musk-finally-sanctions-kanye-we...

Weirdly enough near-every site censored it, I had to go to duckduckgo to actually find that

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by finspeech »

airza wrote: post #187
finspeech wrote: post #184

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Agree with everything you said. Especially that what is acceptable speech is dynamic and it’s hard to define. I view the boundaries of acceptable speech as a resource. And like other resources in which we need to allocate in society, we use the power of markets to come to the “fairest” allocation that we can. I believe Elon could implement a “free speech market” on Twitter where Twitter creates an asset which gives t…

I sort of admire the clarity of vision to take the current decade’s political subtext of “people with money should be allowed to dictate the values of society” and turn it into the supertext.

I’m just making the implicit, explicit. At least this way it’s not done in back rooms by power brokers, but out in the open in which everyone can participate.

Also, the People have money too. They can organize. I just want to give them a chance to organize and have a seat at the table.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by ben_w »

jcampbell1 wrote: post #140
enumjorge wrote: post #118

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> is a brand I wish more people would understand this. For people like Musk, his personal brand is extremely important and they spend a lot of effort portraying and selling a specific image. It is an important part of his success as a businessman. FTX’s Sam Bankman-Fried is another example. His disheveled, messy geek look was calculated, and in an interview after FTX’s collapse he basically admitted that some of his…

Elon Musk becomes a Fox News darling right before he launches an electric pickup truck. He obviously doesn’t want Tesla to be a brand associated with left wing politics.

Which way around is cause and effect? An ex of mine is a literal communist, and her beliefs about Musk 5 years ago appear to have made their way to people I assume to be mainstream American left-wing (hard to be sure as I’m not American, but it’s the vibe I’m getting).

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by hutzlibu »

themitigating wrote: post #148
hutzlibu wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The swastiska has had a very long history, before the Nazis misused it for their purpose. wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika So when kayne used it, of course he referred to the Nazi symbol and just wanted attention and strongly hint at his antisemitism. But other people can mean something very different: "In several major Indo-European religions, the swastika symbolises lightning bolts, representing the thunder god and the…

I'm aware, I'm sure most people are because this tidbit is always brought up when the swastika is discussed. The context is clear all around though

"The context is clear all around though"

Then why make this generalised statement?

" I can't see what other meaning today it could have?"

Because I know people who are into germanic livestyle and they are NOT nazis, but they would like to use that old symbol freely. So that is one counterexample. There are people today who use the swastika who explicitley do not refer to the nazis.

But like I said, when people like kayne use the swastika, their meaning is very clear and different.

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