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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Remembering the context of people being killed for being trans as a relatively common event. It hasn't reached the millions by any means but we'd like it stopped sooner than that.

People also seem to forget just how the Nazi got started [1], and who they also targeted for extermination [2].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings#The_burning...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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They seem to be trying to keep anything critical of Elon off the front page.

Any evidence?

Not really. I just noticed that yesterday one of the top stories on HN was coinbase vs Apple. Yet earlier in the week there were hardly any stories of Elon vs Apple.

Obviously Elon declaring war on Apple was the much bigger story. People on twitter were ready to burn their iPhones in support. It even had politicians threatening to get congress to go after Apple on behalf of Elon.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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I think they kind of have. Musk replied "that's fine" to Ye posting the Musk yacht photo and "that is not" to the Star of David Nazi symbol which suggests that was the final line for the ban. The "going deathcon one on the Jews", which led to the pre-Musk ban, is arguably a more explictly a violent threat than the symbol.

The swastika itself represents historical violence on the Jews. I would argue it alone is an explicit threat of violence because I can't see what other meaning today it could have?

My parents have a vintage carpet with some eastern (counterclockwise) swastikas on it. That said, the context around your comment is completely apparent and the downvote are troubling to say the least. I hope it's just unhelpful pedantry rather than pedantry as a cover for bigotry.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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I'm confused by Level 5. I thought the safe harbor provision stopped applying if the company made a determination whether it was fair use. And not just for that one image/instance, but possibly for all content.

That is, if you say "Can we have the intern send some of these to our outside counsel to review for fair use before pulling them down?" you're opening yourself up to a ton of liability for all images.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail".

Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all.

Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remove objectionable content from their servers, but that doesn't matter.

Anyone who wants to sidestep this reasonable moderation and spread hateful content on E-Mail can easily do so for a few dollars a month by setting up a darkweb technology known as a "Self-Hosted Mail-Server". Underground terrorist collectives such as the "postfix" organization distribute software making it possible to set up a Self-Hosted Mail-Server in a few clicks.

We need to rise up and pressure these billionaire tech companies to stop connecting to any E-Mail providers that do not have a full content council and policy, and a team of content moderators.

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That's not really what happened to the Babylon Bee, though. They intentionally named a trans woman as their "man of the year". That would be Level Three of this article: > Level Three: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM and no infringement!” > Power to the people. Freedom is great! > “Right, boss, apparently because you keep talking about freedom, a large group of people are taking it to mean they have ‘fre…

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The line couldn't get any blurrier. The Swastika is a symbol that's been in use for thousands of years in Asia, Africa, the Americas and Europe. Its association with mass murder is so very recent, it's almost ridiculous that that's the first thing that comes to mind upon seeing one. Context and all that.

Same goes for deliberately mis-labelling a person. Ironically, the Nazis started their hateful propaganda in the very same way.

Over 2000 years ago, Ovid said "Principiis obsta. Sero medicina parata, cum mala per longas convaluere moras." - stop it at the beginning; a cure is attempted too late when, through long delay, the illness has gained strength.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

I'll drop this here: https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-...

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

It's point to point, which does make a difference, though I would note that Big Tech companies who provide email are _extremely_ happy to "defederate" from email servers who send spam, or who merely look like they may send spam, or who share an IP range with someone who sent spam once in 2008. Like, the sort of guilt by association that would make even the most trigger-happy Mastodon service admin hesitate.

There was a time when it was pretty easy to set up an SMTP server, but, if you want your emails to actually get seen, it's non-trivial today.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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I think out of all of this the worst thing to come of it, is this term, seemingly re-invented here, called "free speech absolutists". Which isn't a thing. It's the inversion of "relative censorship" and much larger concept and strategy to turn everything "relative", i.e relativism, or "The Relativists Clan". Free speech can't be "relative" to somebody's interpretation, otherwise it wouldn't be speech that is free -- free -- of relative-style censorhip. The basis of relative speech is that some speech is harmful and it should be censored. That just means, hey we're not a free speech website. It comes down to be honest, there are people who don't want other people saying things and they will go as far to redefine words and meanings to censor them.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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post #125

One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

This is unfortunately exactly what will happen.

What is scary to me is how censorship has become completely accepted by the new generation, including software engineers here in their 20s. No true hacker (this is Hacker News after all) would be OK with corporation or government censorship. Slippery slope is real.

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