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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by samtho »

pja wrote: post #356
samtho wrote: post #215

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Modern dish washers use under 4 gallons per cycle, so given you have at least one wash and one rise cycle, you’d only use a about 50% more if you are able to opt for rinse only. Compare that to a 2.2 gallon per minute water/efficient kitchen faucet where you’ll approach the amount of water consumed by your triple cycle load after just 5 minutes of leaving your water running.

A modern Bosch dishwasher will use 9.5 litres per cycle or IIRC 10l / cycle is a standard set in the EU, but I can’t find a reference right now.

My data was from memory as of >10 years ago from when I worked in construction, I am very happy to hear it is likely even less than I originally thought.

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Post by zamalek »

jayd16 wrote: post #213
clnq wrote: post #169

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> What happens when you microwave a detergent covered bowl? So... what happens?

Some plastics are not food safe when heated and leach chemicals. Probably related to the concern the GP has.

The plastics industry dodged the issue/controversy by eliminating BPA. While BPA is by far the worst endocrine disruptor, it is extremely likely that all the plastics that you are currently "safely" using contain endocrine disruptors.

You should be avoiding storing consumables in plastics as much as possible. At that point microwaves become perfectly safe.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by runnerup »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #298
someweirdperson wrote: post #282

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Is that a vacuum cleaner that can suck water, or are there vacuums that use water to clean the exhaust like scrubbers on ships do?

To sibling comment: bongs cool down smoke, not filter it

I tested this in college, they definitely also filter it. Just not very well. But 3+ chamber bubblers do filter fairly well.

Still, if you’re looking for that, edibles and temperature-controlled vaporizers are way to go.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by runnerup »

mschuster91 wrote: post #291
runnerup wrote: post #235

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Stand-alone. I got two cylindrical carbon filters and one fan. I slide the three components together and then stand them up vertically like a floor standing speaker. Currently living in an apartment. It scrubs the air really quite fast. Helps a lot with kitchen smoke, pet smells, cleaning chemical vapors, and new furniture/plastic VOCs. I also live in the middle of a bunch of chemical plants so it’s invaluable for th…

> I recognize this sounds insane. The insane thing is not your cat - cats are damn smart if they want to. The insane thing is that leak events happen multiple times a week and nothing seems to happen, or that residential zoning is right next to heavy industry in the first place. WTF?

Agreed. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33427667 for a detailed explanation.

I also constantly rant about the zoning thing. Even if you believe people should be allowed to live where they want, there should be more information provided to help dramatically lower the price of that housing but the apartments cost about the same as apartments in cleaner parts of the city 60 miles away.

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Post by runnerup »

ornornor wrote: post #315
birken wrote: post #270

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I've been running a similar setup next to my litter box for about 2 years using "Vivosun" products, which seem like a cheaper knockoff version of Terrabloom. The Terrabloom stuff looks higher quality and I can't compare it directly to Vivosun, but I've got no complaints about my Vivosun duct fan or carbon filters. I'm not necessarily suggesting one brand over the other, but just to add that you can run a knockoff ver…

I’m trying to picture the systems. They’re basically a carbon filter sandwiched by two fans, it runs the air through the filter and puts it back in the room? Or is it connected to a vent that exhausts the air outside (or does it filter one coming outside air?)

In my case, a fan sandwiched by two filters. Recirculates through room so filtration will follow the differential equation models for “CSTR’s”, which are Constantly Stirred Tank Reactors.

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Post by runnerup »

lend000 wrote: post #280
runnerup wrote: post #247

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I would personally get the silenced fans in the largest diameter you can afford / fits in your desired space because it will move larger amounts of air more quietly. The apartment was 700 sq. ft. I got the silenced 6" and it's reasonably quiet at most speeds, and not that loud at the highest speed -- putting filters at both intake and outlet greatly reduced the noise vs. just one side. If you get the filters and fans…

Love coming to HN and learning from the in-depth research of others on topics like these. How important do you think the external fan is? (versus just placing it next to the modest airflow of a HEPA filter, as a sibling commenter suggested)

Very important. “Non-ducted” suction doesn’t have enough static pressure to pull air through a carbon filter, will pull the air around it instead. In electrical terms, this would be like feeding a power sink with a large gauge copper wire and a medium resistance resistor in parallel. 0.01% of the electricity will pull through the resistor, 99.9% will come through the bare copper wire.

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Post by hammock »

moloch-hai wrote: post #342
hammock wrote: post #249

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>Gas stoves exhaust right into the house Best case you have a hood that vents to the outside. Hoods really work

Restaurants commonly have such hoods. I don't know of any private homes that do, though I don't doubt a few exist.

Most homeowners don’t think about it. If your range is located on an exterior wall it’s easy. Ought to be more common

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Post by insane_dreamer »

esaym wrote: post #145
insane_dreamer wrote: post #134

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You don't need any rinse aid, period.

Did you not read what I wrote? Not sure what point you are making... I don't need to brush my hair, wear clothes, or wash my car either... But those are usually considered "proper" things to do. My first load without rinse aid resulted in spotty dishes. Not too bad, but annoying. By the third, it was worse. By the end of the week, all of the glassware was milky white and you could no longer see through it. You know t…

Then the problem is the dishwasher or the lack of a water softener. I've never used rinse aid and we do not have spotty dishes.

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Post by runnerup »

TheBlerch wrote: post #361
runnerup wrote: post #248

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My BOM: - $199: TerraBloom 6" Silenced EC Inline Duct Fan, ECMF-150-S, 288 CFM, 36W - $114: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 24" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK, - $80: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 16" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK - $3,000 (2022 prices): Siberian cat. Bought before recent price rises where the prices have apparently more than doubled, somewhat killing my dream of getting another Siberian kitten. Closely related to Maine Coon…

Thanks for sharing your air filter setup. How large is the space you’re filtering with your setup and how many months do the Terrabloom filters last before you have to change them? Also where’s the HEPA component of the system? (Agree about Miele vacuums with a HEPA filter insert, which is supposed to be changed annually. Mieles also last forever with minor maintenance).

700 sq. Ft. So far 9 months with the terrabloom and no noticeable degradation of filtration. HEPA provided by 7 other filters, mostly Coways. Those need filters changed every 2 months.

Agree with Miele ease of maintenance, though they immediately stopped providing OEM parts (belts) for the uprights the day they discontinued them. They still sell the expensive bags for them though.

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