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Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

jaharios wrote: post #197
therealmarv wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Brave blocks you more against Fingerprinting than Firefox with uBlock. https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/ - Brave uses Chromium and uses better isolation and sandbox than Firefox. Especially on Android. - Brave has Adblock built-in natively. It's written in Rust, so Manifest v3 will not affect it. https://github.com/brave/adblock-rust - Brave is profitable on itself and not dependent on search engines money like Fire…

> Brave uses Chromium > Brave is profitable on itself and not dependent on search engines money like Firefox. Brave is still dependent on Google even more than Firefox, I agree that Mozilla must seeks multiple sources of revenue but if it was easy maintaining your own engine Brave would do it.

Let's take 2 hypothetical scenarios.

1. Chromium stops being FOSS.

Brave, Vivaldi, Edge continue to exist. The only difference being, Brave is now a fork that exists independently and has to do security patches on its own.

2. Google stops funding Mozilla.

With 90% of the revenue gone, Mozilla as we know it would cease to exist as a corporation.

So no, Brave's dependence on Google is not a life and death situation for the whole company.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by DavideNL »

puchatek wrote: post #97
Archipelagia wrote: post #41

Not the biggest fan of Brave myself, but they seem to actually get extra points in my eyes for adding the paid option. It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. On a bigger note, monetizing search without ads seem to be a pretty tricky business model. Especially if you want to move beyond being a niche product; even an average HN reader would be hard to convince to pay for a regular…

I would pay Google 30 just for search+maps of it came without tracking and ads

Perhaps check https://kagi.com/pricing

A good search engine, also uses Google results I think.

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Post by fakedang »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #145
travisgriggs wrote: post #105

This statement (second paragraph) > Ads are a key part of search engines, helping to facilitate the free and open exchange of information on the Web, and to connect users to helpful products and services related to their search terms. Is just non sequitur for me. It's said in such a smooth way, in such a gaslight-ish way, that your tempted to just accept it. But it actually makes no sense to me. I get what ads are ke…

> If I sat down with a troubled couple who was having a hard time communicating, I wouldn't periodically interrupt and say "let's pause a moment for an ad. I think that's going to really open up a better and more free exchange between the both of you." Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be. I mean obviously not, but only because a professional counselor can only see about 8 couples per day while…

> Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be.

I'm going to take a short break from our session to tell you guys that this session was sponsored by NordVPN, the only VPN you'll ever need. Co-sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends, an amazing MMORPG that you guys should really give a try.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by alpaca128 »

r00fus wrote: post #184
Archipelagia wrote: post #41

Not the biggest fan of Brave myself, but they seem to actually get extra points in my eyes for adding the paid option. It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. On a bigger note, monetizing search without ads seem to be a pretty tricky business model. Especially if you want to move beyond being a niche product; even an average HN reader would be hard to convince to pay for a regular…

> It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. In fact, that's the only reason I subscribe - not the content - because my entire family uses my account or is part of my Google "family" to bypass YT ads. Worth the (ever increasing) monthly fee. My guess is that this only exists to foil Netflix, and if Netflix didn't have an…

> You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free

No, it's free of YT ads but countless creators embed ads in their videos, sometimes of pretty shady businesses (see recent Established Titles controversy).

The only way to get rid of all YouTube ads doesn't cost anything (uBlock + Sponsorblock). And if I pay for content I prefer to do it via Patreon, because why would I reward YouTube for constantly acting against the interests of users and content creators?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by heresie-dabord »

fakedang wrote: post #273
squeaky-clean wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I sat down with a troubled couple who was having a hard time communicating, I wouldn't periodically interrupt and say "let's pause a moment for an ad. I think that's going to really open up a better and more free exchange between the both of you." Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be. I mean obviously not, but only because a professional counselor can only see about 8 couples per day while…

> Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be. I'm going to take a short break from our session to tell you guys that this session was sponsored by NordVPN, the only VPN you'll ever need. Co-sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends, an amazing MMORPG that you guys should really give a try.

"And by the way," said the counsellor, "Everything that we have discussed in this session is confidential, of course. But the word means nothing because I don't know how to implement privacy controls, you weren't using a VPN, and I'll monetise everything about your visit. Thanks for your business!"

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by alpaca128 »

anonymous wrote: post #219
ericholscher wrote: post #83

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Glad to see other folks investing in ethical advertising. It's something we've been working on for a long time over at https://ethicalads.io/ -- and it's an important step forward in improving how ads are served. With the advances in ML, we're investing in content-based targeting, which we can do as a display network. But search ads have so much context built in, they don't need to track you. > A lot of angry comment…

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Ads just like sex are ethical if they're consensual.

If I want to buy a product and want to see what exists, ads can actually be helpful sometimes. I don't want to see them in any other situation, though, and it doesn't ever justify tracking.

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Post by egberts1 »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #145
travisgriggs wrote: post #105

This statement (second paragraph) > Ads are a key part of search engines, helping to facilitate the free and open exchange of information on the Web, and to connect users to helpful products and services related to their search terms. Is just non sequitur for me. It's said in such a smooth way, in such a gaslight-ish way, that your tempted to just accept it. But it actually makes no sense to me. I get what ads are ke…

> If I sat down with a troubled couple who was having a hard time communicating, I wouldn't periodically interrupt and say "let's pause a moment for an ad. I think that's going to really open up a better and more free exchange between the both of you." Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be. I mean obviously not, but only because a professional counselor can only see about 8 couples per day while…

In short, Brave has gone the way of the alphabet corporations.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by paulcole »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #242
paulcole wrote: post #178

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> you might think it would make more sense to have me pay for exactly how much they lose, not less or more You might think that, yes. Why is the flat fee “funny”? Netflix, Spotify, NYT, etc. all charge the flat fee. In fact I’m having a hard time thinking of any non-flat-fee consumer digital products.

Well in broad terms those also are getting paid up front or making you watch / listen to ads instead, sure. In the case of SEM, the industry puts kind of a lot of energy into tracking ads, so it seems a little more straightforward to know how much I'm worth to them. But in more general terms, if we ever manage to sort out micropayments, I would prefer to pay as I go for everything - imagine the flat rate subscription…

> if we ever manage to sort out micropayments, I would prefer to pay as I go for everything

I wouldn’t hold my breath lol.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

dismalpedigree wrote: post #138
hunterb123 wrote: post #109

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You've never opened a newspaper up to the classifieds? Those are ads. You may not know of a tree cutting service until you look there. You may not know where to get a car part until you look there. Having ads riddled throughout the internet is one thing, but having a directory where ads are supposed to be is another. Yes billboards are annoying, that doesn't make classifieds equal. (oh and you could just pay $3/mo or…

If ads are truly so useful, perhaps they should withhold them unless you pay $3/mo. Oh right. They are a negative user experience and bring revenue in without providing any value (possibly negative value) to the user. Nothing groundbreaking here, but lets not pretend this is anything but a money grab.

They're immensely useful and important for business owners.

(Just wait until you become a small business owner and get to experience the advertising landscape from the other side.)

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Post by Terretta »

travisgriggs wrote: post #105

This statement (second paragraph) > Ads are a key part of search engines, helping to facilitate the free and open exchange of information on the Web, and to connect users to helpful products and services related to their search terms. Is just non sequitur for me. It's said in such a smooth way, in such a gaslight-ish way, that your tempted to just accept it. But it actually makes no sense to me. I get what ads are ke…

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