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Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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decreased transepithelial electrical resistance

If you look it up, gut epithelial barrier basically means the mucosal lining.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intestinal_mucosal_barrier

Mucus is mostly water, some salt and some biopolymers.

Mucus can vary slightly depending on what part of the body produces it, but typically it is made up of 98 percent water, 1 percent salt and 1 percent biopolymers—very long molecules that interact with one another and give mucus that gel-like quality.

https://healthtalk.unchealthcare.org/mucus-our-bodys-silent-...

If you add chemicals to what is essentially saline solution, it shouldn't be shocking that the solution changes. The decreased electrical resistance is likely some kind of salt derangement from what I gather.

And the biopolymers in mucus are apparently called mucins and -- quick and dirty -- these seem to be glycoproteins, as is true of many immune related things in the human body.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucin

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc) I would wonder if that happens in the gut too. It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more Since people are trying to avo…

>I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate

Dawn is my favorite dishwashing liquid of all times, SLS seems to be the first active ingredient[1]. What should I use instead?

[1] https://dawn-dish.com/en-us/how-to/what-dawn-is-made-of-ingr...

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Please indicate the correct kind of cat to complete the BOM for this system.

My BOM: - $199: TerraBloom 6" Silenced EC Inline Duct Fan, ECMF-150-S, 288 CFM, 36W - $114: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 24" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK, - $80: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 16" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK - $3,000 (2022 prices): Siberian cat. Bought before recent price rises where the prices have apparently more than doubled, somewhat killing my dream of getting another Siberian kitten. Closely related to Maine Coon…

> recommend Miele vacuums which are fully sealed with proper gaskets for maximum suction and minimum allergen leaking/spreading...Dyson strongly not recommended

Have you tried a water vaccuum? :)

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

> marijuana-growing carbon scrubbers to clean my home air Would you mind expanding on that?

Just repurposed from a company called terrabloom. I use their fans with a duct as a diy solder fume extractor. It’s a very powerful fan.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

I'm allergic to lemonenes ('citrus/orange smell'), the oil in the shell of citrus fruits. It's in everything. Deodorant, soap, detergent, various cleaners etc.

Every time there's some sort of "better smell" somewhere, where it's just "nice to have" I think: why? Why have this as well on top of everything?

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

I'm allergic to lemonenes ('citrus/orange smell'), the oil in the shell of citrus fruits. It's in everything. Deodorant, soap, detergent, various cleaners etc. Every time there's some sort of "better smell" somewhere, where it's just "nice to have" I think: why? Why have this as well on top of everything?

Probably someone just trying to make a buck.

We all gotta eat and doing something "meaningful" often seems like the worst possible way to try to keep a roof over your head. Doing something seemingly trivial that you imagine won't be controversial and that will be a "nice to have" for enough people to pay your own bills probably seems to some people like the best way to get by in this world.

And they probably didn't think anyone was allergic to something so seemingly trivial and didn't think it could be a big deal in that way.

Edit: I'm on your side if that's not clear. I spend a lot of time wondering how we solve this and my hypothesis is we first understand why this crap happens and I think "we all gotta eat" is, unfortunately, a root cause of a lot of ills in the world today and I don't know how we fix it.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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I don't touch water from a filter or (if I can avoid it) bottled water. Tap water in Sydney and most of Australia is excellent.

Same where I grew up. The town regularly won awards for far surpassing all the drinking water standards, even the super strict totally voluntary standards they additionally attempted to meet and exceed. Then I moved to Houston. After talking with some water treatment engineers, I only drink bottled water here. Was very hard to change my habits.

>Then I moved to Houston

Kindly elaborate! I live here, too.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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What size did you get and what size is your apartment? Just looked up Terrabloom and I want these yesterday.

I would personally get the silenced fans in the largest diameter you can afford / fits in your desired space because it will move larger amounts of air more quietly. The apartment was 700 sq. ft. I got the silenced 6" and it's reasonably quiet at most speeds, and not that loud at the highest speed -- putting filters at both intake and outlet greatly reduced the noise vs. just one side. If you get the filters and fans…

Love coming to HN and learning from the in-depth research of others on topics like these.

How important do you think the external fan is? (versus just placing it next to the modest airflow of a HEPA filter, as a sibling commenter suggested)

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